Ancestral Health Symposium 2012 review


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Recollections on the Ancestral health Symposium 2012


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  1. Ben
    August 14, 2012 at 5:54 am

    You sound a little lonely, Rob. I hope Greg returns, so you don’t have to feel awkward, alone in front of your computer. I sure do.
    It was a great episode though.

    Take care!

    • paleoslayer
      August 14, 2012 at 9:07 am

      greg did TWO podcasts in one last time, so he needed to take this one off (to keep the Wolf-Planck paleo equations in balance and thus preventing our universe from imploding in on itself).

  2. Matthew Orzel
    August 14, 2012 at 7:08 am


    ‘file not found’ when press play. not working on itunes either.

  3. paleoslayer
    August 14, 2012 at 9:19 am

    the masturbation episode! sometimes you gotta fly solo.
    in regards to evolution and diet – i think brain development is the key here. We know the neanderthals were physically stronger AND had a larger cranial capacity. I think its also pretty much known that they had a very meat heavy diet (demise of big game may have led to their downfall). They were ahead of their time. They were too specialized and could not compete w the more adaptable and less energy consuming h sapien. The environment changed too quickly and they died out. So, are some populations adapted to neolithic foods? yes. Does that make paleo irrelevant or inferior- no.

    Quest for fire!

  4. Scottc
    August 14, 2012 at 9:30 am

    Better Trademark that: “The Kraken Standard”

  5. stephen grady
    August 14, 2012 at 11:27 am

    Could you give out the ‘Pickle Juice Martini’ ingredients and mixing instructions please. Thanks.

    • Amy Kubal
      August 14, 2012 at 1:14 pm

      They didn’t hand them out- I’m pretty sure it was just the pickle juice and vodka or gin, but I have no idea on the amounts. It was AWESOME though!!!

      • Heidi
        August 14, 2012 at 4:31 pm

        reading here and pickle juice martini’s used to be right up my alley they go something like this:

        2oz Gin (or Vodka if you prefer)
        ½ oz. dry vermouth
        ½ oz. pickle juice

        Stir or (shake) all ingredients with ice. Strain into a chilled cocktail glass.


        • Amy Kubal
          August 15, 2012 at 4:27 am

          Awesome!! Thanks Heidi! :)

      • Ted Barthle
        August 15, 2012 at 8:30 pm

        This recipe seems to be pretty good, but I would make a very subtle change for personal taste.

        Swirl 1/2 oz of dry vermouth in a martini glass, then dump it out
        Mix 2oz Vodka (Russian Standard is my favorite) with 1/2 oz pickle juice and shake with ice.
        Pour the mixture into the martini glass and garnish with one of those really small dill pickles.

        Or you can just do it the way we used to do it after hours at a bar I worked at a few years ago. Take a shot:
        1 part pickle juice
        1 part Vodka
        Ice is for wimps!

        Caution: The hangover is not pleasant. Enjoy pickle shots responsibly!

  6. Stephanie
    August 14, 2012 at 11:51 am

    Hey Robb,
    I’m looking forward to seeing videos from the conference when they are available. You piqued my interest on the Chris Masterjohn talk- was there any work from him on the actual amylase activity on starch? I should maybe try to ping Chris himself but you caught my attention first!
    Thanks mucho.

  7. Ty Fyter
    August 14, 2012 at 1:15 pm

    does anyone know a proximate date for the ahs12 release of presentations on the all mighty interwebs??


  8. Steven
    August 14, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    On nutrient density. There’s also the poor nutrient absorption from seed foods. For example pellagra is a niacin deficiency disease and is associated with high corn consumption. However, according to the USDA nutrient database corn has more than adequate amounts of niacin and tryptophan.

    On mitochondria. I think one of the major reasons why low carb diets work is because they increase mitochondrial biogenesis. There is no direct evidence for non-ketogenic low carb diets, but ketogenic diets increase mitochondrial biogenesis, the duration of low carb flu is similar to how long it take for most mitochondria to grow under other periods of adaptation, and the result of low carb flu is what you would expect if you improved mitochondrial function(from high rates of glycolysis and low aerobic metabolism to normalised metabolic flexibility)

    Wish I was at AHS, the presentations sound excellent

  9. Phil Firsenbaum
    August 15, 2012 at 4:08 am

    Great episode! Can’t wait for the release of AHS presentations after hearing your descriptions/summaries of those you attended.
    I have a special request of you, Robb. Can you try to cut back on the self-deprecating? You’re a brilliant, terribly knowledgeable guy and on top of that you seem to be open minded.

    Finally, I wonder if anyone at Ancestry Foundation has considered live streaming of future symposia. I’ll try to contact someone regarding this idea.

    • Stephanie
      August 28, 2012 at 1:39 pm

      I agree, stop dissing yourself Robb. I know you are sort of “joking” but that kinda thing is bad mojo. As a female in physics it took me years to get to the point where I don’t always assume my questions are dumb or apologize my own talk before I start it. Maybe as a male it’s easier to get away with that without everyone then assuming you are incompetent, plus you clearly know your shit so that helps. But seriously, I think saying that kinda thing over and over is bad for your head, even if we all still think you are a big-brained nerdy-ass rock star.

  10. Homer Frizzell
    August 15, 2012 at 6:30 am


    Your summary makes me even more resolved to attend AHS 13.

    Thank you.

  11. kem
    August 15, 2012 at 3:36 pm

    Cool Podcast. Only to Peter Ballerstedt but I love it when the subject of beef cattle is talked about by someone that understands. And I am over the moon hearing that “The Kracken” declares that white potatoes are more nutrient dense than sweet ones… since my wife is the local organic gardening queen and we can grow white potatoes well. I eat two every day.

    btw, Chris, I asked for some advice last november about shoulder surgery (recovery) and the advice was “patience”. Good advice. Back to benching my age in kgs, doing pullups and better yet, chainsaws and ski touring. Almost brave enough to climb some ice… btw, at 60, you can still recover, repair and resume.

  12. Dinis Correia
    August 17, 2012 at 6:35 am

    Robb, this is awesome. And *so* glad to hear you’re not taking part on the carb/starch non-sense. Keep it up!

  13. Martin
    August 17, 2012 at 10:40 pm

    Did Jeff Volek attend/present at the AHS2012?

  14. Jo Bolt
    August 18, 2012 at 5:35 am

    What happened to the Aquatic Ape Hypothesis of human evolution? I heard about it on BBC Radio 4 in a programme called Scars of Evolution. It sounds so convincing and explains why we need nutrients that only come in significant quantities from the sea – EPA, DHA, iodine, salt, selenium. And according to the Weston A. Price Foundation, Price found that the healthiest peoples lived largely on seafood. Additionally there are other adaptations that are explained by this hypothesis: breath control, protruding noses, hairlessness, subcutaneous fat, vernix on newborns. But it seems to have fallen by the wayside. Why?

  15. Kirill
    August 19, 2012 at 10:27 am

    great podcast, watching last years recordings. Any idea when they will post the latest videos? I noticed some were posted 9 months ago, some 1 year ago so I’m guessing it will be staggered too?

    • Kirill
      August 19, 2012 at 10:36 am

      never mind, I just became that guy that asked the same question without reading previous posts. I’m just so psyched dang nabbit.

      If you have any pull maybe suggest they post it on Itunes as a podcast or a ItunesU series? That would make for a greater audience plus you don’t need to lag while streaming it on your Iphone/pad since it will be downloadable.

  16. Dave
    August 19, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Great talk, even without Greg. I was spreading some paleo ideas to some interested folks at my ambulance company, and it turns out that there are two others that are doing it too. One guy I worked with yesterday noted significant lessening of his early onset arthritis, lessened GI issues, and much more energy.
    It’s going viral man!

  17. Lynn
    August 20, 2012 at 3:06 pm

    Great podcast, I listened twice. I have heard two nicknames/terms of endearment for Chris Masterjohn (love this guy). “Mega-mind” and “Master J.” I like Master J because it sounds like a gangsta rapper, and as Chris doesn’t act, talk, walk or look remotely like a rapper, the obvious ridiculousness makes me chuckle. Master J, he be the man!
    Enjoyed your comments on Joel Salatin’s talk. I heard him talk to a well-healed ladies group in Charlottesville while vacationing with my husband in the Shenandoah Valley. Joel remarked about the “well-coiffed, country club” set and the group went silent as all but my husband and I were, of the well-coiffed, country club set. Whoops. Love Joel too.

  18. niki
    August 20, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    I find it funny when you consider someone and overachiever…..I think I remember hearing you talk about taking 23 units of chem/bio classes in college, participating in clubs, and who knows what else! In all seriousness, how does one do this? I can’t comprehend it.

  19. Greg
    September 13, 2012 at 7:02 pm

    You’re running an ad for ‘Farm to Consumers Legal Defense Fund’! Impressive! And did I hear you actually give a nod to Mr. Welbourn’s crazy ‘Drink raw milk to get big’ idea too? I love how much cross pollination of ideas is going around these days. Your willingness to adopt and share these ideas is why I love and respect your work. Thanks Robb!

  20. KShane
    September 16, 2012 at 9:55 am

    I have to admit, I am a bit dizzy from the whole carb discussion and white potato revelation. I am all for being open to learning new ideas, etc. But its hard when you have had arguments/discussions with a million and one vegan, vegetarian or sad diet friends, family members, and so on, only to find out you were wrong. I am done spreading the paleo word, as I get the feeling it will morph a million times before its all said and done. Am I completely off basis here? Little help (this is my Ocho moment in the paleo realm, Robb).

    Thanks, Robb.

  21. Taylor Meryem
    August 19, 2013 at 4:20 am


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