Hey Y’all! I get a number of emails related to training and the lions share of those involve the Olympic lifts. I cannot think of a better resource for the lifts than Greg Everett’s book Olympic Weightlifting: A Complete Guide for Athletes & Coaches. If you tinker with the lifts or derivatives at all, you owe it to yourself to understand both the theory and application. Below is a short excerpt from the book and for those of you in the Toronto area you can get hands-on coaching from Greg on October 9-10.
“A frequent question I get is, How much should my [lift] be if my [other lift] is [number] kg/lb? This is a question with no real answer, but I will take a moment, as I always do, to explain a bit. I actually do provide some numbers in my book, but as noted there, they are not meant to be prescriptive.
First, as I’ve said quite a few times and I’m sure I will say quite a few more, strength is a very specific quality and does not apply equally to all positions and movements. This is similarly true for speed or speed-strength. This means that one can be extremely strong in a given movement or lift, but not at all proportionately capable in another, even if seemingly related closely. A great example is the jerk. Too many people associate pressing strength with jerking ability, when it really has little bearing. The power for the jerk comes from the legs, and from an ability to change directions and drive down extremely quickly. There is no shortage of excellent jerkers whose pressing strength is embarrassingly weak.
Another example is the comparison of the deadlift to the clean or snatch. One would think (understandably) that a big deadlift should correspond with big cleans and snatches; after all, cleans and snatches are just extended deadlifts, right? No! This comes down to a few factors. For one thing, we have the issue of strength being very specific to positions and movements. If an athlete deadlifts with high hips and a round back, there is no reason to expect him or her to clean or snatch well with a more upright posture and rigidly arched back—the movements are completely different. We also have the issue of speed—heavy deadlifts are unavoidably slow, and lifting slowly gets us good at lifting slowly—there is little transfer to the ability to generate speed with weight. Add to this the fact that the snatch and clean have quite a few more elements along with a pull from the floor, and you suddenly have very little association among the lifts.
Additionally, each athlete has inherent physical characteristics that make him or her destined to be better at certain things than others. This is probably most noticeable in the jerk; some athletes are built perfectly to have tremendous elasticity in the bottom of the jerk dip and are able to generate huge upward acceleration. These same athletes, however, may not display similar speed or ability in any other area.
Ultimately, we can think of general strength levels as potential. They can be refined with time and effort into specific abilities, but they do not intrinsically guarantee any particular level of performance.”
Herm says
I agree, Robb. I have Greg’s book, and I use it as a reference 90% of the time I have an Olympic weightlifting question. I’m actually using one of his training templates to prep for the CrossFit USAW meet being held in Colorado Springs.
Max says
Hey Robb,
I got the book and love it. I’ve been a follower of the blog for a while now but have just finally taken the paleo plunge. I’ve got a question for you about serving size.
I’m currently on Day six. Day one was actually really easy, but day 2 and 3 had some serious headaches. I felt better day 4 and 5 but today I have the worst headache yet. Is this normal? I’m wondering if I’m not consuming enough food.
A day looks like this.
Breakfast
2 oz walnuts
5 oz grassfed beef
tbsp carlsons fish oil
lunch
5 oz grassfed beef or shrimp
2 cups of kale cooked in coconut oil
tbsp carlsons fish oil
dinner
Grassfed beef stew
consists of about 6 oz beef, and 8 oz of a mixture of green beans, butternut squash, and onions
tbsp carlsons fish oil
Pete Smith says
Question: “How much should my [lift] be if my [other lift] is [number] kg/lb?”
Interpret as: “Is there a general relationship between [lift] and [other lift]. What might you expect someone who lifts [number] to put up in [other lift]”
Answer: “Sure, common sense approximations exist, but of course they are must be applied with respect given to individual context. Oh, you want to know what they are? Well, I can’t tell you that. That’s a secret that is only revealed if you buy my book”
Thanks for that.
Robb Wolf says
So Pete…you are wasting time commenting on a waste of time post? Seems like some hard irony to that.
Ryanell says
Nice One Robb,
I agree with the fact that every athlete has inherent physical characteristics. An easy routine to one may seem almost formidable to another.
Being in my line of work as a profession, it would be a dream if i have clients walking through my door for weight loss solution and i can make that happen in 2 weeks no matter the size.
This post should be shared by more people,
Thanks Robb.
robbwolf.com says
i have bookmarked for future referrence !. Greetings from the Speedy DNS.
Steve says
Thanks for the book suggestion. Found it under my xmas tree. Any other training info suggestions would be great. I know you mention the “black box” & 531 a lot. Any chance you might add a reading list for training information as well? Obviously there is a lot out there and any suggestions from two guys who are working the dream everyday would be helpful.