The poliquin thread has generated a number of comments, all of them much appreciated. I’d really like to highlight this one from Saul who has a great insight:
Robb – Awesome post, I have never heard of CP until now. More reading to do now. 🙂 Thanks for taking the time to write this out, very helpful.
Regarding CP’s and other people’s take on CrossFit: A while ago, you had a post on the Weston-Price diet, specifically “… personal attacks leveled at Prof. Cordain for his position on Sat’d fat. Sally Fallon and Mary Enig have really taken him to task on this topic and not in a nice or professional way. It burns my ass because Prof. Cordain always conducts himself with class and professionalism. He sticks to the facts as he sees them, states his case and provides ample opportunity for rebuttal. This SHOULD be how scientific inquiry occurs.”
I find it interesting that neither MB or CP ever reference “What is Fitness” or”Understanding CrossFit.” It is this lack of interest in learning or listening that makes me wonder what they are really doing with their comments. Is it some kind of guerrilla marketing or are they really just that arrogant and unprofessional? It is a little confusing, but you did a good job of focusing the discussion. Maybe if CP reads this post he will… nevermind.
This is a pretty tight analogy here. Cordain has generated a body of work that describes where we come from, why we have our modern diseases and recommendations on how to change that. He has some foundational papers that look at the thermodynamics of hunter gatherer living and work forward from there. No one addresses this foundational message. They character assassinate him and start citing their own clutch of studies, completely sidestepping the underlying theory.
Similarly, the basic tenets of CrossFit are right out there for anyone who cares to comment on them to do so. Instead CrossFit is called a cult (maybe it is…it still does not address its foundations) it has no screening program (what screen trumps the functional movements?), the certs are $1,000(not even going to touch this one)…it’s all a bunch of bull-shit that never touches on the CrossFit Foundations, What is CrossFit? and What is Fitness?
There were some weak attempts to discredit the assertions that fitness is: “work capacity across braod time and modal domains” but as usual, no alternate definition is offered! Just a “I disagree…come up with something else…”
If you have an issue with a program or philosophy then offer something as an alternative. I can offer a counter point to vegetarianism that ranges from health, to resource allocation to morality (the least harm principle). Perhaps I’m wrong (I’m not) but if I’m going to go claim some group or philosophy is flawed, Im going to start with their foundations and work my way up to the relatively inconsequential minutia.
None of the “experts” are doing this. I think this is because none of these people have a fucking clue what Greg Glassman has cooked up: An open source approach to fitness that gives everything away…yet commands an ever greater market share. All built around a mathmatically precise defenition of fitness.
The vegetarian/high carb-low fat analogy is just too compelling to let go of. The Orthodoxy posited that fat was the cause of heart disease, cancer and nearly every other ill under the sun. The idea was very compelling…but wrong. When the Low carb researchers began countering the Orthodoxy the reposte was always a combo of “Low carb is dangerous…low carb is unscientific”.
Scoobie! Get the the Mystery Machine out of here!
So the low-carb researchers would rebut the Orthodoxy…and the orthodoxy would change tact “did we say low carb was bad for your liver? No, we meant your pancreas.”
Low carb rebuttal
“Oh…did we say pancreas? We meant kidney”
And so it went. And so it goes.
The same story is playing out with CrossFit. Experts claim danger and a lack of science.Rebuttals are offered, subsequently ignored, and the tac changes.
An open market determines who really has the goods. 80% of doctors, when asked how they would approach loosing weight said they would do a low carb diet. Most do not recommend this to their clients and the why is another interesting post. Crossfit grows because it’s doing SOMETHING right.
All this said, the best technology in the world does not guarantee that a practitioner is a good coach or worth a bucket of piss as a human being. I’m not saying that. But the “experts” seem to demand a level of understanding and competency they hold no other practitioners to. I guess I’d like to know “Why?”
Thanks again to Saul for the question.