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- Meat & Bowel Cancer
- Raw Vegan
- Trying to make legumes legit
- Coconut oil
- Anti-depressants & Sleep
- Testing for food allergies
- Pregnancy, Paleo & CrossFit
1. Meat & Bowel Cancer
Could you comment on the following new UK guidelines concerning red meat?
“In the first new guidelines since 1998, Britain advised people to help prevent cancer by cutting down on steaks, hamburgers, sausages and other red meat. Government experts say people should eat no more than 500 grams (1 pound) of red meat a week, or 70 grams (2.5 ounces) every day, significantly less than it previously recommended. That works out to about one small lamb chop a day.
Scientists think people who eat a lot of meat like lamb, roast beef and ham have a higher risk of bowel cancer. In 2005, a large European study found people who ate about 160 grams (5.6 ounces) of red meat a day bumped up their bowel cancer risk by one third compared to people who ate the least meat. On average, people have about a one in 19 chance of developing bowel cancer in their lifetime.
“This doesn’t mean people have to become vegetarian, but if you’re having a steak every day, that’s probably not helping,” said Ed Yong, head of health information and evidence at Cancer Research U.K. In Britain, more than 40 percent of men eat nearly as much meat as is contained in a quarter pound hamburger every day.
Yong said there was too little data to know what might be a safe level of red meat consumption, but recommended people consider trimming their carnivorous habits. “There are no guarantees,” he said. “This is just about stacking the odds in your favor.”
Dame Sally Davies, interim chief medical officer, said red meat was part of a healthy diet but advised people who eat a lot of it to cut down. In a statement, she said the guidelines provided advice about how to prevent bowel cancer.
High levels of meat consumption have also been linked to cancers of the breast, bladder, stomach and the pancreas.
Experts suspect that haem, the pigment which gives red meat its color, damages cells in the digestive system, which may lead to cancer. Cooking meat at high temperatures, like on a barbecue, may also produce cancer-causing chemicals.
Britain’s new guidelines match advice issued by the World Cancer Research Fund several years ago. In 2007, the agency advised against eating too much processed meat like sausages or bacon and said children should never eat such products. It estimated that cutting down on red meat could save 3,800 Britons from dying of bowel cancer every year.
In 1998, UK government officials said people could safely eat as much as 90 grams (3 ounces) a day and that only people who consumed more than 140 grams (5 ounces) should worry.
Some experts said trimming too much red meat from your diet could inadvertently make people pile on the pounds.
“To cut down on meat without increasing protein from other sources will increase the obesity problem,” said Arne Astrup, a nutrition professor at the University of Copenhagen. He said people should substitute red meat with more lean sources of protein like fish rather than with more fatty foods, which tend to be more filling.
Scandinavian countries recommend people eat a slice of red meat about the size of a small pork chop every day – more than the new British guidelines allow.
In the U.S., there is no specific advice about red meat, but federal guidelines say people can eat nearly double the amount of protein – including red and lean meats, fish and eggs – recommended by Britain.”
2. Raw Vegan
I was wondering your take on the raw vegan diet. I fully agree on the vegan diet you were on being bad but on the raw vegan side of things I do not see people getting sick on a raw vegan diet that is mostly grain/dairy free.
3. Trying to make legumes legit
I was reading in “On Food and Cooking” by Harold McGee that prolonged boiling of legumes deactivates lectins and protease inhibitors. It does not go into specifics and wondered if you could shed any light on it. How much to boil? Do certain legumes respond better? What other things should one consider if boiling them stops two of the major reasons we’re to avoid legumes?
4. Coconut oil
Thanks for teaching me about the many benefits of coconut. That said, I have a few questions (and I think your listeners will benefit from hearing your answers as well).
1) I’ve read that coconut contains phytic acid. Should I be concerned about this? Does coconut meat perhaps contain more phytic acid than coconut milk and coconut oil? (If so, would you recommend that we soak or ferment coconut meat… or perhaps avoid it altogether??)
2) Do you recommend refined or unrefined coconut oil? It sounds like unrefined has more nutrients but it also has a lower smoke point. (Would you dare cook in unrefined coconut oil?)
3) I noticed that So Delicious sells a “Cultured Coconut Milk” product. Would you recommend this cultured version over regular coconut milk?
I’d love to hear some of your god-like insights.
5. Anti-depressants & Sleep
As standard: Thanks for the Podcast, has made a huge difference in my life. My mother cannot sleep without anti-depressants, I convinced her to do a no grains/legumes/dairy/nightshade paleo trial for her health problems after the success I have had so far. However, when she went off of antidepressants, she did not sleep for a week, and reverted back to having panic attacks, resulting in going right back to antidepressants. I have been catching up on the podcasts and am currently reading lights out. I’ve convinced her of how important getting enough sleep is, but however, without antidepressants she literally cannot sleep a blink. I definitely need some help, as I am very concerned. she tried melatonin, and some magnesium, but no success. Please pull out all the stops on this one, or at least try to point me to the right resources. I’ve exhausted the power of the standard google search.
6. Testing for food allergies
have read your book and been following the diet pretty well for the last 6 weeks. I have had relatively good success thus far. I am pretty sure I have a gluten intolerance as I seem to have skin or allergy issues every time it sneaks back into my diet. It also seems like I may have some issues with nuts and soy, possibly dairy. My problem is I go 3-4 weeks clean paleo but if I break, there are always multiple items leak back in so its hard to narrow down what is problematic. Also, its hard to decide if there really is a relationship between skin issues and food intolerance. What is your opinion on food sensitivity testing? I have been considering doing the blood test by ALCAT worldwide. www.alcat.com. This would give me a way to highlight multiple possible food allergies at once and I guess give some credibility to my thoughts on my food sensitivities. Is there any value to this type of blood test, or should I just refocus and try an elimination diet for another 6 weeks? Thanks for you time and all the great information.
7. Pregnancy, Paleo & CrossFit
Hello Robb! I was wondering if you could recommend some information or resources for paleo and crossfit combined with pregnancy. My current crossfit gym has never had a pregnant member and I have seen so many mixed opinions all over the web on both subjects. Do you have any suggestions or changes I should be making to both diet and exercise? Also, pre-natal vitamins – yes or no? (I’m guessing no because so many contain soy, ew.) So many more questions, but this should tide me over! Thanks!
I’m follow a pretty strict paleo diet other than I eat organic oatmeal with berries and nuts 3-4 times a week for breakfast.
When I started paleo, I was on a gluten free diet for couple months. I then added oat back to my diet and didn’t notice any negative effects, so I’ve kept eating it. Mainly because I really like oatmeal, it’s easy and fast to do in the morning, easy to store and cheap as dirt even when organic and uncontaminated by other grains.
Recent European studies suggest that even most people diagnosed with celiac disease can eat pure uncontaminated oat without any trouble. In a Finnish study that lasted five years twelve celiacs ate oat for five years while a control group was on a strict gluten-free diet. The biopsies showed no differences in the densities of CD3, IEL and IEL T cells between two groups.
What is your take on oat?
Jamie Guined says
Will you be posting a link to download the podcast? 🙂
Jamie Guined says
Found it! 🙂
Bill Parsons says
The start is way different, as it should be. You clearly have more than six listeners now.
Enjoyed ya immensely, Andy. Best wishes.
Re 5. Anti-depressants and sleep – most drugs like anti-depressants really shouldn’t be stopped cold turkey. The email doesn’t state what dosage their mother is on or how she went off them last time but tapering the dosage off gradually is the safest way to come off them and it can take a few weeks or months to remove it entirely.
Get the sleep bedded in properly (talking a solidly developed sleep habits, not just a couple of days of decent sleep) and only then start tapering the anti-depressant dose down.
The mother should talk to her doctor about how to do this to minimise the sleeplessness and panic attacks.
Be aware that it may not necessarily go in a nice neat linear fashion but this doesn’t mean it’s not working or not worth trying
I am speaking from the perspective of a person who successfully got off of 4 psych meds by tapering very slowly. So I definitely agree with your point that ADs should not be cold turkeyed.
However, as one who has talked to several people in similar situations, most doctors are sadly clueless about how to successfully taper people off of psych meds as they do it way too fast. This woman might want to have her mother visit http://www.paxilprogress.org. It was with that site’s excellent support that I learned to taper at 10% of current dose every 3 to 6 weeks.
As an FYI, no commercial links are allowed on the site and there is no charge for anything.
Back to the point about antidepressants and sleep – In spite my tapering very slowly, unfortunately, I still have sleep issues. So I am eager to listen to this podcast, particularly on this segment.
I also plan to implement the Paleo diet as soon as I go the grocery store within the next few days as I am tired of being barely able to get through my days. It looks like I have found the perfect site for me to be able to do this.
Thank you very much for the suggestions (this is the submitter of the anti-depressants question, although I could have sworn I put my name on the form). Though I would like to comment that I am not a woman, haha. My mother is actually having decent sleep now, and you guys were right, cold turkey was a bad idea. Upping the dose of Magnesium really made a big difference as well, while the melatonin really didn’t make a difference. Also found out she had a habit of having some tea at about 4-5 p.m. Once she stopped this habit she made some progress as well. She has halved her dose, and hopefully we will continue to make progress!
FYI, sound quality is better! Great post, thanks.
Kevin Varley says
yep gotta agree best audio yet
sean richard says
Thanks for the answer to my question on the raw vegan diet. I have been thinking of adding seafood to be more on the paleo side of things. I was wondering if I should add meat back into my diet slowly over time or would there be no issues adding meat to a body that has not digested it in over 9 years
Robb Wolf says
the digestion thing seems to be one of a few camps:
1-No problems, no head trips, no digestive issues.
2-Head trips, need to sneak up on it…works eventually.
3-Legit lack of digestive fire, need support to make the transition. (NowFoods super enzymes)
I went from being Vegan and/or Vegetarian for over 20 years to eating everything I could with a face in one go.
I thought I might have issues, taste, digestion etc.
My body responded in a way that suggested it had been waiting for the meat, just sucked it in and responded in such a positive way.
Just my experience
Same here — I was vegetarian for 12+ years, and the first time I ate meat again, it was a huge, greasy cheeseburger. No nasty side effects whatsoever.
Just listened to Episode 70 podcast. New host Greg was terrific, fit right in! Andy will be missed, but Greg will be every bit as good.
Good choice, Robb!!
First off Andy you will be missed! Feel like we should be sending you off in a Knarr set aflame… 🙂
Second… welcome Greg! Great first show.
Geoff Aucoin says
Oh god, if one of you started talking like Carol Channing during the Lamb Chop bit I would have dropped on the floor laughing.
Good debut from the “new guy”. Geez, he comes across like a media pro that’s been doing this his whole life. Regis with a barbell. Great job, Greg.
Robb Wolf says
I look at Greg much more like a “Kathy Lee” but keen insights Ken, thanks.
Just a note on the CF for pregnant women, there is actually a site called crossfitmom.com that scales and makes up workouts for moms focusing on pregnant moms as well. Its a nice site for women just getting into CF that have reservations about it and also for people who need to scale.
Robb Wolf says
You boys make me laugh. I have marked your podcast as one of my favorite stitcher stations. I’m looking forward to the next one!
Very nice guys, I thought Greg did a good job. You were right, sound quality does sound better, and the volume level is better too.
Andy will definitely be missed, we should give him a 21 beard salute along with coconut flake confetti 🙂
5 FRIES says
Nice Billy Madison reference Greg. I double dog dare my friends all the time!
5 FRIES says
…and I should add with the same tone.
5 FRIES says
Please delete those two comments. I think I confused my movies. I may have also misused the ! and the …
Double dog dare goes way past Billy Madison. I remember it from the tounge to the flagpole dare in “A christmans Story” When Ralphie is Double Dog Dared to lick the flagpole in the cold and sticks to it.
Robb Wolf says
I believe that was the “Tripple Dog Dare”.
It was a slight breach of etiquette skipping the triple dare and going right for the triple dog dare.
Robb Wolf says
Actually, I have to correct you a tiny bit. (Sorry, I am a Christmas Story addict and have memorized the whole movie since I was in the 6th grade.
Quote should read: “Schwartz created a slight breach of etiquette by skipping the triple dare and going right for the throat!”
(I know, I have no life. 🙂 )
Robb Wolf says
Usually it’s Greg who clarifies these points of minutiae! I’m now surrounded.
I like that things that you would get spun out about in the first few podcasts now have a much calmer answer that can be summarized by responding to almost all questions with the following: Have you done 30 days of strict no gluten, no dairy, no legumes, no sugar? If not, shut up, go away, and don’t come back until you do. If you have, awesome, let’s chat.
Also, I will miss what had become, for me, Andy’s one golden line of input for the last few podcasts – “eat more food”.
Robb Wolf says
that is always a winner of an answer! And yea, if folks want to talk about this stuff, we need to compare apples to apples. I receive a staggering number of emails and tweets for whom this stuff is “not working”. I do a little QA/QC and ask the pointed questions: “Are you 100% compliant? Sleeping? etc.” The answer is inevitably “no” and once they do comply, shit works! Shocker. No smoke & mirrors, just personal experience.
Wow. So, it’s a typical Wednesday. I retreat to the basement of my office over lunch after a busy morning of seeing patients and go to Robbwolf.com to “get my solution on” while I workout.
However, when I pushed play and heard Robb’s solitary voice, I had a bit of a freakish Twilight Zone moment and collapsed onto the floor.
I have listened to all 70 episodes of TPS (many of them 2-3 times) and it is amazing how the words “Robb Wolf, Andy Deas” have been permanently embedded into the deep, dark recesses of my temporal lobe.
Luckily, I was able to scrape myself off of the floor after the seizure subsided and begin my workout sans Deas.
To be fair, Greg did admirably and this podcast was just as entertaining and educational as always, so it appears that I can quit you Andy. But you will be missed.
Robb Wolf says
We never really “quit”, just an infinite taper.
All I know is that this had BETTER not be the end of all Star Wars and ’80s movies references. If nothing else, maybe Greg will occasionally mispronounce etcetera just for old time’s sake, English degree notwithstanding.
Robb Wolf says
The bad movie references cold actually escalate to a nauseating level.
Robb, I have listened to this episode 3 times. I use your show to drown out a lady with a very annoying voice at work. The sound quality was much better. No inaudible co-host (Kathy Lee) during the middle of the show.
Robb Wolf says
Thanks! good to know.
Robb: great job with the sound volume.
RE Raw Vegan diets: Just out of curiosity I did a dietary analysis on Harley Johnstone’s “30 Bananas a day” AKA Durianrider’s raw vegan mainly fruit diet.
Be sure to read the comments!!
Robb Wolf says
You rock girl!!
Just curious…any thoughts on the ‘HCG Diet?’
Robb Wolf says
Seems to “work” but high recidivism. Folks don’t really change habits.
Re the raw vegan diet analysis. Durianrider eats 6000+ calories a day. He gets all nutrients even essential amino acids (just) It is only deficient in pre-formed vit A and B12 (both zero)
I also checked his blood tests, and Vit A is okay – he does have high beta-carotene. Fatty acids – just sufficient although he only has short chain omega 3 ALA. So I presume his red blood cells will show a deficiency. He has no blood test for that though.
I think he can only remain ‘healthy’ because he burns a lot of calories- he is a cyclist. His glucose and fructose intake are crazy high
Carbohydrate (g) 1558
Sugars (g) 1497
– Glucose (g) 453
– Fructose (g) 376
– Sucrose (g) 668
Amazingly his Triglycerides are only 0.6mmol/l
Great work with the improved sound, it’s much better now thank you.
Sad to see Andy go I will miss the battlestar galactica opening music and Andy’s yoda-esque attitude – “do or do not there no try”.
Welcome to the new dude, solid first podcast I am sure he will jive with the podcast gig keeping the folks entertained and informed 😉
Another great episode with great insights, every time I pick up more and more valuable info, it makes me want to change career paths.
On more thing, I use “google listen” android app ( android all the way baby) to snatch my podcasts, but the latest one must have changed settings post Andy? (the author is listed as Andy Deas) and it hasn’t appeared in my old “the Paleo solution” subscription. When you guys get time it would be good if you could get that up and running.
Google listen has all the podcast notes, so its easy to keep track of each topic in each podcast.
Lawrence Louis says
Gary Taubes was on the Dr. Oz show on March 7, 2011. Could you please, on your next podcast, do a response to Dr. Oz concerning many of the fallacious views that he presents as factual to his audience, and how he unjustifiably maligned Taubes. Granted, I know there are some differences between what Taubes says, and what strict Paleo advocates preach, but there is a lot of agreement as well, and I think Scott and Andy could perfectly articulate what went wrong in that interview.
Link to interview:
Robb Wolf says
Who are Scott and Andy??!!
This seems like a good one to hit, will do.
Rob Is says
Just wanted to give a shout-out to Andy Deas. I was seriously bummed (and shocked) to hear he wasn’t going to be on the show anymore. Andy brought a great casual manner, and a fully loaded barbell of humor and insight. No offense Robb, but sometimes I wish he would speak up more, especially when it came to weight training and gym stuff.
Greg did a great job! Super cool to have him on– I thought he was going to be guest, not the co-host.
This is definitely working from episode “one,” but Andy is Andy and he will be missed.
I agree, I really enjoyed listeing to the Robb Wolf, Andy Deas duo and am sad that Andy has moved on. I really liked your dynamic and both enjoyed and look forward to the weekly podcasts. Andy you will be missed!
Just wanted to take a quick second and say congrats to Robb on the awesome article in the MuscleMag magazine. I think it has been one of your better interviews honestly for the way you/the interviewer broke things down and allowed you to freely explain things how you wanted to. I also have to say hats off to the fact that you are able to with hold some of the awesome lines you usually drop. I was looking for a holy cats but couldnt find any 🙁
Robb Wolf says
Thanks man! Gotta hold that back occasionally.
I’ll miss Andy too. His voice and personality have been a good counterpoint to balance with Robb. But I already like the new guy too. Wishing all the best for everyone, in whatever comes next.
On the subject of beans: I wonder if there are other strategies along those lines to reduce the damage from specific modern foods. I assume that trying for quality – organic, gluten free, grass fed, etc – would be a good start. Not for everyday use, but for special occasions where food choices are limited.
lurker and follower of all things crossfit and robb wolf since an outside magazine article on gym jones in late 2008 (including catalyst athletics & performance menu). thank for your work and free content (i did purchase several copies of your book). it is an interesting journey for middle-aged triathlete / endurance athlete, blah, blah, blah. can you say cortisol and adrenal fatigue?
change happens, and change is often necessary. but i missed hearing andy on tuesday. good luck, andy.
now my no-longer-lurking question is: wtf happened?
Sam Francis says
Regarding oatmeal I seem to have had a possitive response in re-introducing it into my diet so far as bowel movements, I was constipated but now seem to be back to regular daily movements. This is also at the same time as just generally upping my carbs alot more from what they were, is this a common experience? (I’m 16 by the way, yeah I know, a young one)
I went into panic mode immediately as I started the podcast. No intro music, no Andy Deas? Luckily Greg’s cool, collected nature and articulate commentary made for a seamless transition. Is this going to be a regular thing now? – I’m stoked if that’s the case, but I can imagine some of the CF camp may be less than stoked to see you two together ha.
Also, oddly enough the recording volume is much better – I don’t have to jack the volume up in the car, and risk deafening myself when I switch from the podcast back to music without changing the volume.
This was my first podcast – and I enjoyed it alot. But as a medical professional I couldn’t stop from cringing during the ‘male breast’ joking: males get breast cancer, too. Please don’t contribute to the shame factor these men experience.
Thanks for all the nutritional information – I look forward to the next one!
Robb Wolf says
You need to understand, we love everyone and will tease all those people just as mercilessly. Please listen to a few more podcasts and try not to jump to conclusions, this show is about the love. In that note we are trying to educate people about all the factors underlying epithelial cancers such as breast, colon, prostate astrocyte/glialblastoma brain tumors. So, we are trying to reduce breast cancer shame by “reducing breast cancer”.
Mari-O in Bangkok says
Lori, I hear you — but these guys are the most compassionate people you will ever experience, and they save a lot more lives than polite, non-cringeworthy people. Enjoy some more podcasts!
Greg, Don’t go changin’…
Andy, you will be missed.
So sad Andy is going… 🙁 But Greg is hilarious too! Great first show, so funny!…
Rob. You often mention Functional Medicine Doctors. Is this because they tend to take a more whole system aproach? Mark Hyman(ultrametabolism guy/ functional med doc) seems to be drifting toward Paleo in his youtube videos. I was thinking about finding one to replace my primary care doc.
On a different note, I was wathching PBS the other moring and they were doing the pledge drive with Dr. Barnard using a vegan diet to “treat” diabetes and I thought it would be rad to see you on there with your own special. Ah, to dream.
Miss you Andy.
Welcome Greg. Greg is funny.
Robb Wolf says
The functional docs usually “get” Paleo, but I have a bone to pick with the leading with diagnostics. Why not eliminate, then reintroduce? But a minor point at the en of the day.
Rob Is says
Thanks to the Paleo physicians network, I have found a paleo doc, a functional one at that, who does eliminate and first and test second. Great cross-pollination here. I see him on Monday and am happy to find a doc who isn’t going to tell me “whole grains, low fat.” Thank you Robb.
Robb Wolf says
Right on!! That was tue plan!
Just some points on the “meat-completely-fucking-kills-you-dead” epidemiology.
People already think that it kills you because of heart disease, so the people eating the most meat (save for paleos who are a small percentage of any population) will be the least health-conscious and those eating the least will be the most. However there are profound differences between these groups, so they would somehow have to control for health-consciousness, which would be a messy statistic to say the least.
Also: omega 6 fats. Notice how most of these studies only ever seem to implicate processed meats or both if they happen to lump them in and equivocate between fresh beef and slim jims. Can’t it be said that in a DHA-deficient population a major source of dietary fat (pork) would be correlated with inflammatory disease?
Of course we know better and know full well that the best metabolic health and thus the lowest cancer risk comes from eating a fair deal of grassfed meat.
Last one may be cooking techniques. Although I doubt that an Inuit would get cancer if he smoked 2 packs a day, burning shit ain’t good for you anyway. Here is an interesting clinical study where boiled meat seemed to be protective (protein, apoptosis?) whereas burnt meats were associated with lung cancer. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21338220
Bile salts was a bit of wishful thinking. If that were true butterfat (and thus beef except even better) would not be so protective http://healthydietsandscience.blogspot.com/2011/03/eating-red-meat-helps-to-reduce-risk-of.html
Also for heme obviously there is little there, but it seems like carnosene is protective against some peroxidation of iron. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21034531
This “omg heme kills you” without taking the whole food into account is…nutritionism and worthy of the Ancel Keys award for most prodigious love of one’s own hypothesis.
Sometimes I think you are too nice to these guys, Robb.
Robb Wolf says
One interesting point on smoking:tue kitavans have 3/4 smokers, seemingly w/o problems till they westernize.
Yup, I believe that. Perfect PUFA balance and little omega 6 period. Unfortunately some folks would like to blame that, and China’s newfound metabolic problems on increased meat consumption.
Apparently we’re all doomed. It’s only a matter of time until fasting glucose of 68 becomes 200 and I die. But at least I’ll take a few cows with me before I go.
I am working my way through the back catalogue of podcasts and learning loads. I am scheduled for shoulder surgery at the start of April to stop recurrent dislocations. I really wanted to here what you had to say about post operation nutriton in episode 39 but for some reason the podcast cuts off at 27mins. Could you send me a link to the full podcast please.
Just realised I can’t spell…I really want to ‘hear’ what you have to say!
Paleo Solution without Andy Deas? You will be missed! Thanks for all you did and continue to do!
was looking at the vegan thing, partially as a puzzle, and for a vegan friend. obviously the lfrv thing can work. But, thats already figured out. want to figure out if the metabolic advantages (moderate carb, not getting hungry much etc) advantages can be had along with the escape from neolithic disease.
It seems like the biggest concerns are protein and fat. most vegan fat sources (nuts) are too high in O6, so maybe avocado, coconut, and flax?
for protein was thinking hemp seeds as mentioned (with flax to balance the omega ratio). Wonder if there are other sources. depending on protein extracts seems dangerous if the real goal is health. maybe the boiled/soaked/sprouted legumes are the best compramise.
can juiced or blended greens provide enough for crossfit? if it works, then its kinda like using the blender in place of digestion parts we dont have.
also theres the shellfish question. that could end or reduce the need for suppliments, at least b12 and/or protein. but that seems to depend on what “kind” of vegetarian/vegan were talking about.
grok, if your around, did you try moderate carb, high fat and protein vegan?
If I was doing a vegan diet – I’d do a paleo vegan one. Fruit and veggies, probably hemp and / or rice protein powder, Algae DHA. And of course supplement with B12 and anything else needed
Think your right about supplementing if your vegan. There doesnt seem to be a way around it.
Food algae is not common, even if its relatively easy to grow for yourself. So that would probably be a supplement too. Its like walking a tightrope, but seems doable.
so this is my world – so let me share what seems to work for me and those I train with:
protein: low o6 nuts (macadamia, cashews, almonds) + hemp + flax. for time savings, many of us use some sort of powder every now and then (most use vega powders by sequel naturals) looking to keep out of isolates if at all possible.
fats: coconut, hemp, flax, macadamia as staples – with grapeseed as a small splurge if you feel like butter.
protein/carbs: veggies and legumes. if you eat green leafy veggies in quantity which most paleo-folk do (and esp. vegan ones) – you begin to build out a nice protein profile. legumes seem to round things out for many of us – but they do need to be prepared per Rob’s guidelines. some folk do manage to skip legumes in favor of the safe starches – i seem to need all of ’em :^)
in the pacific northwest, everyone should take vitamin D, and the only other supplement per se is a multi-vitamin with a good b12 input.
hope this has been helpful.
Damn you SOBs for making fun of my “I’m follow” typo in the oat question. Sorry guys, english is my third language. Thanks for the answer!
Robb Wolf says
It’s all fir the love!
I don’t think I have ever heard of a vegan doing well with anything other than supreme fat and protein restriction. Seems like a crutch more than anything. I can eat a massive steak, creamed coconut, a sweet potato and eat plenty of fruit every day and not gain weight or feel bad. Can they say the same about vegan foods? Not that I have seen. It seems like low fat or nothing. But low fat is terribly sub-optimal.
Wayne Riddle says
Welcome to the show Greg and thanks for all of your work Andy.
Dan Merk says
Go easy on Ohio. 😉 Cleveland does have a few nice beaches, and we actually have a small surfing community. Great job Greg and Robb!
Rob, want to thank you for the podcast. As a darned-near-paleo vegan, this was an informative show – despite Greg’s sort of nasty anti-veg vibe (he is otherwise an excellent addition to the show). There is actually a LOT of overlap between raw vegans and/or “paleo-vegan” philosophy – and for what it’s worth you have more than a few vegan listeners in the Pacific Northwest who enjoy the show. For most of us, it *does* come to down to an individual moral choice, which I would never expect you to deal with in the podcast. I also appreciate that you understand that “vegan” is just as broad a group as “meat eaters.” My experience is that there are actually quite a few highly-active, performance-oriented athletes succeeding these days – and the ones that make it happen largely follow paleo principles while using nuts/seeds/legumes as primary protein sources with algal oil supplementation. many of us have blood tests – and the results are excellent.
long comment here, just want to encourage you to occasionally deal with your veg listeners in the same open and respectful way you’ve done to date – we appreciate it – and we appreciate your insights.
Robb Wolf says
Greg is nasty to EVERYONE, don’t feel singled out (or special for that matter ;0)
I just want some dialog, and want folks to not be afraid to tinker. I want to talk sustainability on all sides of this, so it’s got to be an open discussion to get anywhere. Thanks for the feedback and for sharing the meal plan in the other comment.
Gregg is terrific. Andy will be missed. (I look forward to the day he will be featured as a guest or an occasional co-host). Andy, best of luck with your projects & pursuits!
Episode 71 contained no strictly training – related questions. I hope future podcasts will feature at least one question strictly related to weightlifting, performance, athleticism, etc, like when Andy was picking the questions.
This type of question is especially interesting given Gregg’s extensive expertise in the area.
I’d also like to see more Paleo / Evo lifestyle authorities featured on the show as guests. Many people are doing interesting stuff in this area, developing approaches, and getting results. Episodes with Chris Kresser and Matt Lalonde have been excellent.
Overall, great work that’s also very important. Cheers and thanks!
PS: That’s Greg with one “g” – sorry! 🙂
Adam Brower says
I googled: Where did Andy Deas go? What happened to Andy Deas? I can’t find anything. Context: So I just jumped on the paleo bandwagon 6 weeks ago (with stunning results). I started listening to the podcasts from episode 1 (listened 3 times) and now on episode 42 (and a handful of the most recent). So I learned Andy is not on any more and found it sad and shocking given his personality was just part of the show. Now, many years later, Andy seems to have dropped off the face of the earth. I hope all is ok.
Robb Wolf fan boy, 25 lbs down,