Here is Episode 33 – this may be the longest episode to date. Here is the link to the post from Dr. Harris that Robb mentioned during the episode.
Download a transcript of Episode 33
- Hashimoto’s Disease
- Nut Allergies
- Running Hot
- Training for the Next Year
- Pre-Workout Nutrition
- Hepatitis B
- Adrenal Fatigue
- Legumes / Vegan Diet
- Kidney Stones
- Body Fat Measurement
- Training A Crossfit Games Athlete
Show Notes – The_Paleolithic_Solution_Episode_33
Steven M. Platek says
Thanks again for a great podcast. It really helped me in two ways: 1) I’ve been struggling with all I read, see, hear, etc regarding Pre-WOD eating. It’s good to hear another person say it’s individual. Phew! 2) the bit about coming down after a competition and training movement efficiency. Damn! Thanks. I just got back (w/ my team of athletes) from our very 1st small scale competition. It was fun, stressful, nerve-racking, hard, but we all finished. Not really anywhere near the top, I came in the middle of the pack somewhere. That’s fine. I’m an old shit and I am just glad I made it through 4 WODs in one hot muggy humid Georgia day. LOL. At any rate, as I returned, I started thinking about my efficiency on ground to overhead, and my strength bias in general. I decided I was going to start incorporating more strength bias programming (& possible some OPT, as well) into our stuff. It’s good to hear you say, that’s probably a good idea. This probably represents post-season for us, although there is another small affiliate comp coming up in a few months. Thanks again for you insights!
Mark R. says
I haven’t listened to this podcast yet but seeing as a CF Games Athlete is one of the topics, I thought that this comment on a post at The Lean Saloon was appropriate to bring up. Like you say, define your goals and know what trade-offs are being taken. My favorite part of the comment: The irony is I feel way healthier, much better, and I look way better. Made me think about the recent podcast where someone referred to Tommy Hackenbruck or Mikko Salo looking glassy-eyed.
May 8, 2010 at 10:12 pm
I’ve done Crossfit for 4 years. I have scored close to 400 on Fight Gone Bad for the past 3 years (with standardized technique). During the same amount of time, I also ate the Zone/Paleo diet. Felt great. But I NEVER had anything more than a 4 pack. I was consistently above 12% body fat, just never quite managed the physique I always wished for.
Meanwhile I became dreaded with always having to push myself to the limits with exercise. Even with excellent technique in most exercise, I had elbow tendonitis, shoulder pain, and hip pain.
5 months ago I stopped Crossfitting and just started doing a much more laid back workout routine with less frequency and intensity, and decided to add intermittent fasting to ACTUALLY create a true calorie deficit instead of relying on exercise. Since I started IF’ing, I am actually way leaner and for the first time I’m seeing a 6 pack!
But if you ask me to do Fight Gone Bad today, I don’t think I can get even past 300. The irony is I feel way healthier, much better, and I look way better. I wish I knew this 4 years ago, rather than beat myself up senselessly and believing this was what it took to get lean. Wish I knew it was as easy as taking a break from eating here and there… like you say, “turn off the valve”.
And like you Johnny, I’d much rather have a 6 pack and feel great. (BTW, 50 burpees took me 5:54. And I don’t feel bad about it either. I’ll get better at burpees, for sure, but now I know they don’t determine my 6 pack abs!)
Another blinder, gents.
I was also pleasantly surprised to hear Arthur Lydiard come up in the podcast- he was/is a legend in my homeland of New Zealand (sidenote: much nicer than Australia).
The points to note on Lydiard are:
1) He was coaching runners. Not sprinters, weightlifters, gymnasts etc.
2) He was by any standard extremely succcessful. (4 athletes won 6 Olympic medals between them in 1960 and 1964)
3) He was drawing from a very small population. (NZ has 4 million inhabitants today) Many from one city (my hometown).
4) His runners were all Caucasian- not heavily featured in today’s distance running successes, perhaps providing counter-evidence that African runners are somehow “gifted” rather than just work really hard.
5) He advocated a lot of volume (100 miles/week) but in the days well before heavily cushioned shoes. One could possibly view it as “technical” practice in efficient running technique.
6) The entire training plan was periodized towards one key event (usually the Olympics.
7) He included block training in specific areas e.g. strength, tapering, to ramp up towards competition.
There are indeed quite a few principles that a Crossfit Games athlete could take to heart rather than driving themselves into the ground daily.
Robb and Andy,
Thank you so much for this podcast. I’ve been interested in the Paleo diet for years now; listening to your podcast helped me finally take the plunge and change my diet. I’m feeling better all around.
I have a good friend who has recently been diagnosed with ankylosing spondylitis. He’s 29 now, and I know he has suffered with intense back and hip stiffness and pain since he was 20, maybe longer. For awhile in college, he was basically living off painkillers like Aleve. It’s a relief that he finally knows what’s causing his pain, but the diagnosis doesn’t sound too good to me. I think he’s just been given some medications to manage the symptoms, but it sounds like there’s a good chance the disease might still worsen with age. My friend has always been prone to pretty extreme diets (of all sorts) followed by HUGE junk food binges (which can last for weeks or months). He’s also always been somewhat active in various types of exercise routines (usually tending toward powerlifting, which he used to think caused his back pain).
I was wondering if you could explain what ankylosing spondylitis is, and whether or not the Paleo diet might help. If so, could you also lay out how strict he should be with his diet. I’m wondering about some the gray area items. For instance, should someone in his condition limit eggs and nuts, in addition to grains, legumes, and dairy? He’s pretty good at sticking to regimens, as long as they are strict, with no wiggle room. Also, what exercise routine would you recommend for someone in this condition? His goals would be, first and foremost, to help manage the ankylosing spondyitis (and secondly, probably, to get 70s BIG) . Are there any sort of exercises he should avoid (e.g. heavy squatting, etc)? Thanks again for all your good work.
I’m a 36 year old female looking for vitality, longevity, strength and leanness, mostly in that order. I was wondering if there were any programming, nutrition or supplement differences you’ve identified and might recommend between men and women? Or is everything I’ve learned from Robb applied equally to men and women?
Thanks so much!
gary martins says
holy cats! its legit to go to get your head changed sort of gig type of dealio while titrating
love the podcasts! just recently discovered them and have listened to the last 20 episodes in about 4 days sitting at my desk at work, the robb wolfisms crack me up. cheers!
Anneke Marvin says
A few months ago I emailed you regarding my Hashimoto’s and you advised me to start a regimen of D3 and iodine. I have been taking about 500 mcg of iodine a day, gradually titrating up to that dose from 225 mcg a day. In addition I’ve been supplementing with 400 IU of D3 daily. This last part was the hardest, but I gave up coffee. I won’t lie-it sucked, but I’ve been caffeine free for three weeks and I feel great now. I’m leaning out, I’m seeing results from my hard work on the bike and in the gym, I’m sleeping better, waking feeling rested, and I don’t get the 2 pm slump like I’d been getting in the past. I just had my labs done and my doctor couldn’t believe I had changed my thyroid function through diet. He was ready to put me on armour thyroid a few months ago.
Thanks for the advice…
Robb Wolf says
Can i post this on the front page? Your first name only?
Hey Robb or Andy, which type of coconut oil do you recommend form Tropical Traditions Gold, Green or Expeller for everyday use? You mentioned a while back that you purchased two gallons but I was wondering what type? thanks
Robb, I can’t agree more with your comment regarding skill acquisition. Taking a few minutes each day to nail something perfectly is so important. Nearly all fields that I have studied from math to skiing to mountain biking to music have some concept of learning by constantly moving along the spectrum from practice to performance and back. I remember from my ski teaching days, this concept of moving from practice to performance was taught to everyone the first year. I am pretty sure it would be really hard to find an accomplished musician who didn’t practice scales periodically. It is interesting that we don’t seem to have that notion in strength and conditioning. We have it in weightlifting for sure. Maybe I am missing something.
Each podcast is awesomer than the last, thanks! 😉
Evan C says
Morning Robb, Morning Andy.
Really quick for all the people that haven’t gotten to read “lights out”. I get the sleeping in a dark room, I get sleeping and rising with the sun, but I don’t get how to go back to sleep at 4:30 when I almost spring out of bed like I’m being attacked by ninjas.
Kari O. says
As I’m going thru some thyroid/adrenal issues myself, I’m wondering how much of this improvement you think was from the Iodine vs Vit D3 vs cutting coffee? I’ve lately noticed an annoying right eye twitch – past week straight! ugh… soooo annoying, and I’m guessing its from caffeine, even though it seems like my 1 cup in the morning shouldnt be that bad.
but I’m willing to give it up for a few weeks if you think this was the final straw…?
Anneke Marvin says
Feel free:) Thanks for all of your help.
ken c says
i can second sweaty erik’s observation of the heat at the south central regional. plenty hot. hot like satan’s asshole hot. good times. hurry back to texas robb.
Just wanted to let you know that when you order NOW Super Enzymes on Amazon, the pre-order for your book comes up on the related items suggestion list.
PS – my copy has been pre-ordered also. Looking forward to it!
Robb Wolf says
that’s pretty cool! I wish I could get a % of sales off the superenzymes!
Dr. Garrett Smith says
THE book to read on Hashimoto’s: http://www.amazon.com/Still-Thyroid-Symptoms-Tests-Normal/dp/1600376703
Robb Wolf says
thanks for the info, very much appreciated.
Thanks for all the help on the podcasts. Listening to them was one of the biggest ways my husband got me to buy in to this whole Paleo thing. Two questions that are completely unrelated. Thanks for any help on either or both of them.
1) In an aside in Episode 33 you mentioned that you were against training pull-ups with bands. Would you mind giving a brief summary on how you would take someone who cannot even lift themselves an inch to successfully completing multiple dead hand pull-ups and kipping pull-ups?
2) People seem to show little interest when I suggest Paleo as a solution to infertility. I’ve done some research on the internet but can’t seem to find a nice, clean answer to what effects Paleo food changes have on infertility problems. I know you have touched on this topic in at least two other podcasts, but it would be awesome to have the definitive “here’s why Paleo gets you knocked up” podcast.
Thanks for everything. Can’t wait for the book.
Robb Wolf says
1-Bady rows, 3 sets of 10, started very easy, and each session walking the feet out to make the move a bit harder. Follow this progression until on can do 3×10 with body at a 45* angle. During this time work times static holds from rings or a bar. When body rows are at 45* on can start working a few negatives. First exposure should likely be less than 5 reps total. Slowly build on this. You can work kip mechanics along this time:
2-Will hit this in a podcast.
Thanks for posting your success with Hashimotos. Which I also have. Just wondered about your reason for giving up coffee – and do you think this is part of your success?
Can you outline more fully the diet that you are on. Are you strict paleo? Do you have any alcohol? Have you cut out eggs, nightshades?
I’m really keen to find out how you changed your labs so much, as mine haven’t improved!
I do take vit D and iodine, strict paleo (no legumes, grains, dairy, nightshades or eggs) except I have a little wine (1/2 glass) and 1 espresso coffee day with a dash cream.
However – I’m not on thyroid meds, T4 and T3 are okay still, I feel great, no symptoms really, good weight.
Re ankylosing spondylitis and diet – read this –
There is some molecular mimicry going on that triggers the auto-immune response.
Also read this book
Carol Sinclair’s book “The IBS Starch—Free Diet.”
Very paleo type diet but specifically cutting out some problem starches that trigger the auto-immune reaction for those with AS. Carol Sinclair has AS and explains really well the whole auto-immune process that goes on, and how to control it with diet.
Rob, thank you very, very much for the interesting response to my question about training the Crossfit Games Athlete – Great to hear both your’s and Andy’s thoughts!
Tane – kiora!
An interesting discovery I made…
Whilst Arthur Lydiard supposedly recommended 100 miles per week base building, Peter Snell (one of his amazing , Gold winning athletes and outstanding Exercise Physiologist Dr. in his own right) said in an interview
“… I was sort of nursed into it fairly gradually and I did some significant mileage but I wasn’t doing 100 (miles) a week,” Peter says.”
I guess this suggests the “100miles per week” is not an arbitrary number but does imply a decent amount of volume, perhaps about 10 ‘ish’hrs running per week at a 7min mile comfortable pace.
This is world record volume…. 10hrs give or take…
What part of NZ are you in Tane? I’m based in Christchurch
Daniel L says
Hey just wanted to say how much I appreciated the items on training a games athlete. It has caused me to really think critically about my training, and think about the long term effects of it. Keep them coming.
Now correct me if I am wrong, but wasn’t one of Mark Twight’s falling outs with CF the whole issue of an aerobic base? I seem to remember him deciding that some cardio/LSD was very beneficial especially to his sport – more so that just beating himself up every time he stepped in the gym. I wish I could find more info on it.
Robb Wolf says
I think Mark experienced the same or similar thing that I did: This new format of training could maintain most of your attributes, improve other attributes, with remarkably little work. BUT! Without long term planning, and periodization, things grind to a halt.
Steve S says
Evan – cut back on the cocaine and hookers?
Robb & Andy,
I love the podcast and am anxiously awaiting the book. The one thing I would like to hear more about is body weight and kettlebell exercises, specifically for fat loss. I am 6′-0″, and 240 lbs, I have lost approx. 30 lbs since going paleo about 3 months ago. I live in a small eastern Montana town and am not a fan of the atmosphere at the one “gym” in town, therefore I prefer to work out at home. Any words of wisdom would be GREATLY appreciated. PS: When are you going to go LIVE with the podcast?
Anneke Marvin says
Currently I am pretty strict paleo. I do eat eggs, but not nightshades. I also almost never drink alcohol. I find that the damage it does is not worth it. I feel like crap for the next three days, even if it’s only a glass of wine. I was eating five or six times a day, but after listening to one of Robb’s podcasts decided to try only eating three times a day, plus a post workout shake with coconut milk, J Robb protein and some glucose a banana or juice if I have been on my bike a long time (I’m a competitive cyclist). It seems to be working better for me this way. I found that with the grazing situation I was eating even when I wasn’t hungry and was in a constant state of hormonal confusion!
I cut the coffee out because I had done all of this and still wasn’t really seeing the results I wanted in terms of leaning out or weight loss. For me, it’s really important to keep the weight/power ration optimal and the weight variable was getting out of control a little. I took HGH, fat burners, and intramuscular Winstrol for three years with no cycling and I’m pretty convinced that I screwed my adrenal glands up completely. The coffee just seemed to perpetuate the problem from the fat burners I had been on, especially because I was drinking 6+cups a day. 2 in the morning, 2 in that 2 pm slump and 2 at night. I also think that because I was eating so often I was constantly craving food, and I used the coffee as a means to stave off that craving.
Finally, I cut waaaaay back on my workouts, especially my cycling. I started following more of Crossfit Endurance’s site in terms of the sports-specific endurance portion, and way more pure strength workout in shorter durations. I think I was overtraining myself into the ground before.
So, I don’t eat right away when I get up, usually more around 9, then lunch at 1 and dinner at 5 plus a post workout meal. Strict paleo, no zone measuring, although I have restricted my calories a little just through a visual portion control, and no nightshades, but yes on eggs!
Hope that helps:)
I’ve heard you talk about focusing on technique, then volume, then intensity in the last couple of podcasts. I had a coach earlier in life that applied this with the simple language “How, How Many, How Much.” This phrase is easy to remember and has helped me focus on the right things at the right time. I’m glad to hear that this simple advice I received years ago is still considered relevant.
Keep up the good work! I can hardly wait to add your book to my collection.
Robb Wolf says
That’s genius. I’m going to borrow that.
Chris Williams says
Excellent podcast as usual.
I’ve got my mom eating healthier and healthier over the past while, she’s eating mostly paleo the majority of the time (and has been losing weight, feeling and looking better). She told me this morning that she’s noticed the past couple of times shes eaten bread shes had hot flashes (she’s post menopausal and in her 50’s). I thought that was pretty interesting and told her I’d ask you about it. From what I’ve read, it sounds like gluten can mess with your adrenals from the inflammation/stress it causes, which can throw your hormones out of whack (to put it simply). I’m curious how much of the symptoms women experience during menopause are natural and how much of them may be attributed to diet. What’s your take on this stuff? Maybe a good podcast topic?
Robb Wolf says
A good podcast topic indeed!
Do you not like bands for deadhang pullup training (for someone who has no pullups), or kipping with bands? I realise kipping with bands is a shoulder (SLAP) injury waiting to happen, as you’ve got people who aren’t very strong putting their shoulders under a lot of stress, but surely some band work for deadhangs matching the strength curve of the movement (more assistance at the bottom, less at the top), works ok, right? In conjuction with methods you mentioned (negatives, rows).
When I was listening to the podcast I thought you were taking the piss out of the cf mainpage that had a guy doing weighted pullups with bands.
Also, I think the key problem with crossfit training (going hard all the time) stems from its early days where most cfers had a good base like you said (because cf was less mainstream and more underground, unlikely to attract novices) and also because the focus has largely shifted from ‘being ready for anything at anytime’ to ‘winning the cf games.’
Robb Wolf says
I guess I’m just “old school” but I never warmed to the assisted pull up with bands, absolutely DETEST the abomination of the kipping, band assist pull up. Part of this is we run a busy gym and I just see this as gizmo fascination…it’s a little like supplements to me! If other folks like using bands in the way you’ve described, I’m sure they get some mileage from them, but I’m just not a fan.
I did not catch the CF main-page dealio. Was this an over-speed usage or strength curve matching? Again, this might be interesting in an advanced person but one can get remarkably far down the road simply doing weighted pull ups, explosive rope climbs and in the coaching of Fred Hatfield “THINKING about moving a heavy weight fast).
The “Sport of Fitness” focus could be its saving piece or undoing. I’m not sure which. If they do not get a handle on the judging it will be more contentious than figure skating or body building contests.
Thanks for the info, Robb. The videos were super helpful and can’t wait for the podcast. You and Andy are awesome superstars in my book.
I too think this is a fascinating topic, being the same age group as your mum.
Interesting – I had a few hot flashes (very small ones, woke up feeling nauseous and hot in the night – but didn’t last long) I was doing paleo but had a few cheats – the occasional slice of bread.
For the last 2 months I have had NO cheats – no grains whatsoever, no legumes, no small slices of bread. I have also had no hot flashes at all.
My mother had a horrible menopause. I have inherited many of her issues – swelling knees, stiff neck, TMJ, and my sister inherited her heavy bleeding and low haemoglobin. My sister (late 40’s) cut out grains – her issues are starting to resolve. She was following a mostly Zone diet, not overweight.
My Dad (a psychiatrist age 79 and still working) has started to take note. He has been following the Zone Diet for 12 years, with great success, – it bought his cholesterol, CRP, fasting insulin to excellent levels, and resolved a bleeding issue – he used to be very slow to clot, but the zone diet fixed this, however he has IBS (not as bad as it used to be) and joint issues, osteoarthritis and those tender bumps on finger joints.
After seeing our success without grains he is fascinated and told me yesterday he and mum (78) are going to gradually switch over to paleo food choices.
I am waiting with interest to see what changes if any eating paleo food choices will bring them both. Robb I will keep you posted!
Robb – I would love you to do a podcast on this topic and I’m interested in any studies and an explanation of the lectin connection to menopausal / menstrual issues.
Robb Wolf says
Will do. Short answer is that is all links back to inflammation.
Thanks so much.
I’m not much of an athlete, so overdoing training is not an issue for me. My doctor did the cortisol etc tests and they were normal. So adrenal issues probably aren’t an issue with me.
Interesting about cutting down to three meals – I’ve recently done that – used to graze a lot. And I feel better for it. I like that sharpness I feel with a little hunger!
I’ve also as Robb suggested been 100% no gluten grains. I was having the occasional cheat a couple of months ago. I also started taking too much iodine I think. I’ve since cut back to just less than RDI as a supplement.
Since doing these things – my thyroid which was getting larger has since shrunk back a little. And I’ve lost a bit more body fat. I feel really good. I haven’t had another thryoid test yet – that’ll be interesting.
Maybe I’ll try cutting out the alcohol for a bit – I do so love a glass of wine though!
I read your posts with interest as I too am a cyclist. I have been paleo now for 8+ months and am strict with it, with the exception of ice cream on the weekends after long rides. I now am hypothyroid (maybe was before paleo but ate to keep energy high) an taking T4 an T3 med’s for it however numbers are not where they should be yet. I am seeing an Endo Doc this week to dial it in. I will discuss with her taking iodine vs the med’s as she how she rolls on that. My question to you is why no nightshades related to thryoid issues, I know about them for arthritis, but thyroid? Explain this to me, thanks
Robb Wolf says
For autoimmune issues I do recommend folks cut nightshades and see how they do. Gluten seems to be particularly nasty to thyroid issues, night shades might be problematic but it seems to be less severe. There are certain foods such as cruciferous veggies and casava that are classified as “goitrogens” and play havoc with iodine absorption. I’ll hit this with a bit more detail later.
Thanks for another grat podcast! Just a quick question: your comment on gluten avoidance at restaurants put me off balance. I am doing my best to avoid gluten and I thought that for people who are not “clinically” celiac it is enough to pay attention to what you order. You seemed to suggest that we also should be requesting restaurants to take some additional precautions. Could you elaborate on that on a future podcast? What are the non obvious measures we should request? And then, how much gluten traces actually count as a “contamination”? Should we worry about this in order to avoid autoimmune diseases?
Thanks and CIAO!
Robb Wolf says
Kevin Campbell says
First I want to say that i listened to episodes 29 thru 33 all in one pop at the end of a 16 hour day so much of the info was blurred togeather. I know that you addressed the idea that the crossfit model could cause overtraining, I think you were talking about how crossfit atheletes need to use the traing to peak for sectional regionals and possible the gains and i agree with the idea of periodization and peaking, however we use crossfit to help the LEO community in Dallas Texas, we coach the tree on one off or five on two off system, use alot of sprints with strength work. as a 20 year law enforcement officer I am the tareget audience 41 years old 30 pounds over weight due to porr diet bad sleep and tons of stress from both work and family. So I guess what I am trying to say is as a LEO we can’t train to peak beacuse we never know when that event is and in fact many of the patrol officers, not the SWAT officers who are allowed time to train on duty, may have that life threatining fight or flight response several times a day. I do not feel overtrained and have made huge gainsusing the crossfit model and belive that I am better prepared for the unkown now than I was when I exited the academy. Thanks for listening, love the post it has helped me to really understand the damage that improper eating has done and i bet im your only fan that can listen to 5 plus hours at atime and want more.
Robb Wolf says
Good stuff. The post from Ehayes a week or so ago touches on tweaks appropriate for the LEO/MIL/Fire folks. The take home for me is chow, training and sleep are even MORE important for you folks. CrossFit has made an amazingly positive impact on many thousands of people in these respective fields. Some additional fiddling seems to make it even better.
Keep me posted on your progress and let me know fi there are any topics specific to your situation you’d like to see covered.
I’m sure a blog comment is not the best place to do this but can you expound a little more on building volume in layers, peaking phases and periodization? Especially periodization of mixed modal activities. Could this be as simple as hit it hard for x weeks, dial back volume, intensity and loading for x weeks and then hit it hard again? How does peaking and periodization work if you don’t have a specific “event” you are training for?
Robb Wolf says
We can tackle this in a future podcast. If you look at OPT’s training you get a flavor of this.
For those that tried melatonin and didn’t care for the dreams it may induce, look for a time released version. GNC sells one, it helps cut back on the weird dreams.
Myself, I consider them a plus, to each their own.
AJ Mirwani says
Robb, based on your recommendations on the past few podcasts, I’ve been incorporating grass fed beef into my diet. As a result, I’ve been noticing lots of stomach pain, gas, and discomfort. Prior to this I’ve never eaten beef, and once in blue moon I’ll have lamb or pork. Some searching on the internet didn’t turn up anything useful. I’ve been strict paleo for about 2 years and I’m not sure what’s up. My question is: Is this a case where my gut just needs to get used to digesting beef, or is there some other issue here? Your thoughts, thanks!
Robb Wolf says
not sure on this. Might try some digestive support. if this does not help, might be a computability issue, but those are pretty rare.
I think a list of foods that are acceptable for those with thyroid/autoimmune conditions would be shorter than the list of foods that aren’t.
Anthony White says
Appreciate you’ve gone to ground, just wondered if you might help with a quick answer.
My brother has ulcerative colitis. I’ve finally convinced him to go paleo.
He had already cut out dairy, as it seems to affect him negatively.
Do you think butter has had the gut irritants of milk removed, or not? Do I understand correctly that you had colitis, but do eat grass fed butter?
Should he just not touch it until he is cleaned up, and then trail it for a period and see if it makes a difference?
Thanks for any help. All the work you do helping people out is really appreciated.
Robb Wolf says
butter would be low on the list of problems if it’s grass fed, conventional could be an issue. I’d ex it and see if things improve.
Is there another test my doctor can do to check my thyroid other than the glucose test? I am having trouble leaning out despite strict Paleo efforts. I am about 15lbs overweight. I know I have PCOS and suspect insulin resistance to a certain extent, but expected things to improve with the Paleo diet, so my doctor wants to do some tests….I’m trying to avoid drinking 75grams of sugar though.
Robb Wolf says
Why an oral glucose tolerance test to look at thyroid function? I don’t get it.
Doctor said she wanted to first check my insulin response to the oral glucose test.
Robb Wolf says
Interesting. Keep us posted.
Try baby powder for that funk down under 😉
Regarding supplemental melatonin and down-regulation; this has always somewhat bugged me from “Lights Out”, as there was no reference. Did some digging recently, and came up with this:
The amplitude of endogenous melatonin production is not affected by melatonin treatment in humans.
Matsumoto M, Sack RL, Blood ML, Lewy AJ.
Department of Psychiatry and Neurology, Asahikawa Medical College, Japan.
A physiological dose of melatonin (0.5 mg) or placebo was given at bedtime to night shift workers (n = 21) for seven days, and endogenous melatonin profiles were measured on the eighth day. The amplitude of endogenous melatonin secretion was unchanged by treatment. Also, a melatonin treatment trial using a 50 mg daily bedtime dose for 37 days to a blind subject resulted in no change in the endogenous melatonin profile. We conclude that circulating melatonin can shift the phase, but does not alter the amplitude, of pineal melatonin secretion.
Food for thought, especially the 50mg dose! I have the full study, if anyone is interested. Follow-up was only 24hr after cessation of supplementation, but the 50mg is a wicked high dose!
Robb Wolf says
Good stuff, thanks!
Kurt G Harris MD says
Hi Robb, you may have been thinking of this one as well…
Robb Wolf says
Doc! thanks, yes.
Hey, Robb…question about trace mineral/mineral toxicity symptoms. A few weeks ago I began taking Thorne Trace Minerals. This only lasted for a couple of days because I ended up feeling really wipe-out and spacey from them – almost nonfunctional for days. After hearing this podcast, though, I checked out the Himalayan salt Andy mentioned, thinking it might help with some self-diagnosed (yikes!) adrenal issues based on low DHEA levels (possibly leading to my PCOS???). Anyway, I again began feeling really weird, so I stopped using the salt and now feel totally out of it…fuzzy, void of emotion, lacking energy, simply WEIRD. My eating hasn’t changed – eat plenty though I don’t feel hungry (or thirsty), I’m fogging through my workouts, and sometimes throughout the day I feel like I’m hungover – shakiness, lightheaded. I’m wondering if this could be due to the mineral consumption, and if so – is it REVERSIBLE? I’m definitely concerned – I currently don’t have a doctor and am moving from Western NY to Boulder in two days. Should finding a doc be a priority for me right now???
Thanks for any info – I truly appreciate the work you do.
Robb Wolf says
will tackle this in the podcast. Interesting stuff.
Great, will look forward to it…thanks!
Actually, another thing I noticed that I did like about this salt was that it seemed to really help with water retention, and I was never one to add salt to my food, just was generally bloaty. Maybe some sort-of kidney thing going on?
Robb Wolf says
not sure on that. For me salt is pretty much salt.