The Paleo Solution – Episode 61

The first episode of the new year! Here is link to the book resources section of Robb’s site that we discussed during the show.

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Show Topics:

  1. Food Substitutions
  2. Power Balance
  3. Loss of Sex Drive
  4. Amount of Light Our Ancestors Slept Under
  5. Glycemic Load
  6. Caffeine
  7. Caffeine Part 2
  8. Arnold’s Bodybuilding Encyclopedia
  9. Crohn’s Disease
  10. Vitiligo
  11. Prostate Cancer
  12. Drop In Athletic Performance
  13. Vitamin D
  14. Nocturnal Cramps

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Robb Wolf’s 30 Day Paleo Transformation

Have you heard about the Paleo diet and were curious about how to get started? Or maybe you’ve been trying Paleo for a while but have questions or aren’t sure what the right exercise program is for you? Or maybe you just want a 30-day meal plan and shopping list to make things easier? Then Robb Wolf’s 30 Day Paleo Transformation is for you.


  1. says

    Robb/Andy, Can you discuss your perspective about the recent study done by British Journal regarding Grass-finished vs. Concentrate-finished meats and the effects of O6:O3 ratios?

    Link to article:

    Also, I hear from time to time here that poultry is frowned upon or eaten in moderation. I hear grass fed beef is supreme. However, fish is probably the best source for a O3 source and beef, lamb don’t really have that much to offer in O3s. I’m trying to wrap my head around the perspective on where protein should come from and am guessing it’s because of the large amounts that come from red meat vs. white or fish. Can you elaborate?

    Lastly, do you advocate nose to tail eating of these types of animals or are you from the wisdom of eating only lean cuts and leaving the rest of the animal to dog food?

    Thanks again for the podcast.

  2. says

    Show Topics:

    Food Substitutions 2.53
    Power Balance 4.49
    Loss of Sex Drive 7.47
    Amount of Light Our Ancestors Slept Under 15.48
    Glycemic Load 31.26
    Caffeine 21.28
    Caffeine Part 2 33.45
    Arnold’s Bodybuilding Encyclopedia 38.17
    Crohn’s Disease 42.05
    Vitiligo 48.41
    Prostate Cancer 49.57
    Drop In Athletic Performance 53.08
    Vitamin D 55.26
    Nocturnal Cramps 57.23

  3. Alexa says

    From the prostate cancer question –
    I had been wondering about the idea of “:::insert disease name here::: runs in my family so I have to be careful of X Y and Z” stuff or “everyone in my family is overweight, so I am too” line of thinking. I think you, as well as Sission, point out that you have total control of how your genes express themselves IF you eat, exercise, and sleep appropriately. I’m currently reading Good Calories, Bad Calories (and have been for months – Holy Smokes!) and he cites some studies where people were fed the exact same diet, but some were prone to gain fat while others remained lean. Sooo, I guess this would just be specific genetic individual differences among people, where as the other is more general i.e. avoiding processed foods, gluten, and other known gut irritants will keep you out of Type 2 Diabetes and cancer??? Bottom Line – is family history for disease a valid concept or is it just a misunderstanding and misapplication of health and nutrition?

    • Steve says

      “exact same diet” doesn’t say anything about the quality of
      diet. A diet of pretzels and beer will make some folks fat while
      some stay thin, some get heart disease, some do not, etc, etc. I
      think genetics tells you how vulnerable you are to a suboptimal
      diet, but certainly doesn’t mean you’ll get fat/heart
      disease/cancer/etc no matter what you do. Family history only
      becomes a “valid” factor when you’ve got something out of whack to
      begin with. I also think it’s the weakest of the weak excuses. “Oh
      well, my family’s always been big boned, so there’s just nothing I
      can do..” BS!

  4. Joe Brancaleone says

    The notion that vitiligo can be reversed is new to me. I was told it could only be prevented from getting worse. During the past 5 years spots have shown up on my wrists, knuckles, and elbows (almost symmetrical to both sides of the body, very strange). I’ve been paleo for a number of months now, so I can only hope!


  5. Deb says

    Magnesium ie. Natural Calm has completely eliminated my leg cramps which were just as bad as the ones described in this podcast.

    • says

      I know of many people where mg did absolutely nothing, but calcium worked wonders

      in general you want a balance of sodium/potassium, mag/calcium to stay cramp free

      also noteworthy: many people are basically dehydrated. drinking some (not too much as that will increase dehydration) extra water in the course of the day may as well be a solution

      • PrimalDame says

        I have been using Natural Calm for leg cramps and seems to help out a great deal. One of the things I have noticed also is that when I am on the road at sea level (or very near sea level) I don’t need the Mag but when I return home (5000+ft) I start leg aches and cramps.

        The only reason I think I get the leg aches is my background which I describe in brief below.

        Perhaps something to do with Altitude that causes some sort of circulatory issues? My background includes TOS (Thoracic Outlet Syndrome) which resulted in me having to take a bunch of blood thinners for almost two years (also the loss of my first rib on the right side) …. ever since that drug panel my circulation has always been flighty (extreme bruising) despite having not been on the drugs or any drugs for more than 12 years. Strict Paleo is the only thing that regulates me from the bruising.

        • says

          easy bruising rings the following bells:

          * vitamin C (lack of)
          * vitamin E (lack of or too much = >400 IU)
          * fish oil (too much, probably with vitamin E)
          * vitamin K (too little, especially if you also supplement with vit D)

          btw: high vitamin K content of paleo could be a reason it “regulates” bruising

          • PrimalDame says

            I’ve actually thought about the vitamin K piece. I can’t take the recommended fish oil for my size due to bruises that occur on the bottom of my feet but my overall inflammation is pretty low most of the time. I take fish oil only on occasion but eat a very strict Paleo diet save for the occasional goat/sheep cheese (2-3times per month max).

            When I was in for my TOS surgery they had me on plenty of blood thinners and when my blood would get too thin they would shoot me in “cheeks” with some vit K so the science of getting that correct mixture was not really working for them. I have always wondered if this back and forth abuse was the cause for my overall bruising issues. (Background I was admitted to the hospital with a blood clot in my Thoracic vein right side that had embelized into my lungs causing a great deal of breathing and body discomfort (i.e suffocating). The doctors took awhile to determine what was going wrong and then the treatment was high volumes of heparin and hospital bed rest for two weeks until the clot dissolved and then the took my rib out and I spent almost two more weeks recovering from that and waiting for my body to regulate my blood thickness while the switched me from drip heparin to cumadin (was on both for a week until the titrated me off the drip). I first noticed the foot bruising after leaving the hospital and had this issue for 8 years before I found that eating Paleo stopped the bruising (aside from lowering my BF, dropping my Blood Pressure, Lowering my Cholesterol, and generally making me a nicer person to be around!)

            Sorry for the long comment and let me know if anyone has had similar issues and we can exchange emails and stories of medical genius (cough cough).


          • says

            I cannot comment on the effect of previous use of pharmaceuticals, but did you check your vitamin E intake?

            and why don’t you just give some NOW K2 a chance. its not too expensive and might in fact help with your problem.

  6. says

    Thanks so much Robb and Andy for keeping this up into the
    new year. We are very grateful for all of your
    intellect,insight,graciousness,and humor. Love the new look and the
    gato :-)

  7. Ron says

    So “meat is supposed to increase testosterone levels, which then increase PSA levels”. If that’s really true, why don’t teenage boys with raging hormones have prostate cancer?

  8. Best Traits Procreate says

    Hey Andy and Robb,

    Regarding light exposure, maybe as a cult we can start living in coffins.

    Also the Arnold stuff make me think of the book Animal Farm.

    Anyways HAPPY NEW YEAR.


  9. Tony says

    This may just be my iTunes OCD kicking in, so you can tell me it will never happen so deal with it. But I was wondering if you could some sort of cover art to the Podcast. I think the same art that is used on the site would look good, you guys are the only Podcast on my iPhone/iPod that doesn’t have one. Thanks for all the good work you guys do to put on a great show!!

      • Tony says

        I just went back to double check it. I guess since I subscribed before there was one I never got it, but now there is one on the show it just never updated as I downloaded each episode. Had to un-subscribe then re-subscribe, then updated and it fixed it. Now all my podcasts have album art and my iTunes OCD can relax for a bit.

  10. says

    Re: Question #5: Glycemic Load I really like the coverage
    of the topic of insulin load in this podcast. People get SO
    confused about what it means to reduce that load in a meal and
    often think that simply adding fat while eating carbs will
    “balance” out the meal to mitigate the insulin release/blood sugar
    spike but realizing that is not the case is important.

  11. says

    Robb, I love your podcast. I have been listening to it for the last couple of weeks, trying ahrd to catch up. I recently purchased your book, have devoured it… and have a couple of questions.

    1) When I eat Paleo, I (sorry for this) get very loose stool. After I eat a salad witha lot of fat, I will be very loose. I am not sure why, but I seem to go back to normal if I reintroduce a bit of grains back in. I have not gone totally off the grains because of this. (It makes sense for me to do so, as you`ll see when I give my history)

    2) I am a recent «graduate» of P90X. I actually gained 25 lbs following the stupid diet, and working out a lot, which was NOT what I wanted to do. I still can`t do a pullup, but I am not bad about the rest. My question is, would you consider me a «beginner»? I am not sure where to start with the exercise regiment…

    Now, for some history on myself:
    34 YO
    Type 1 diabetic diagnosed last March
    On insulin (but by eating primal I really only need my basal insulin, and a few units of the rapid here and there)
    Prone to panic attacks (trying my hardest to get off of 10 mg of Paxil)
    I have thought I was having heart attacks, but turns out they were just panic attacks. I actually went to the ER 4 times over the last 2 years for an ECG and all was normal. (Hence the Paxil)
    I have been trying to get off ALL grains, I don`t eat legumes anymore, and I struggle with dairy (I love my cheese, and cream in my coffee!)
    I worry about not having carbs here and there because I can go low during exercise, and I don`t want to wake up in the ER!

    I know that was a big candy bag of information, sorry about that. I am digging this Paleo lifestyle. If I can get over my adversity – I have a lot I can bring to the table (pun intended) in terms of Paleo prep – I am a chef by trade.

    Thanks for reading, and keep up the awesome work!

    Jason Sandeman

    • Ash says

      Hi Jason,

      Regarding comment number 1 – this happened to me too. I figured out the cause – we have to gradually increase the fat intake. If we drastically increase it too fast, this happens. Especially when combining a lot of fat with a lot of fiber :) I found that sticking with fish and chicken, and gradually introducing beef, all in the context of working my way up to two avocados, fixed the problem. Took about 5 months total. Now, if I eat grains at all, it’s completely the opposite of your comment – I can go days!


    • Ben Wheeler says


      The post by Masterjohn is good. He breaks down the study quite handily, and simply calls for more research on the matter. Nothing wrong with that. He also says exactly what Robb says, if you re-introduce it and it makes you feel like shit, don’t eat it. Simple as that. Chris is just doing his best at following the science. You have to respect a guy who doesn’t follow observations alone, and is actually looking for REAL evidence. Sounds alot like Mat Lalonde actually.

    • says


      This attitude bugs me. Paleo is not a religion. Chris is asking the questions that need to be asked. When we start denouncing those who question our beliefs then we have abandoned science.

      We should all be looking to attack the tenets of Paleo whenever possible. This only makes it better. If we find something to be wrong, this is a good thing. We learned something.

      There are lots of parts to this joint that don’t quite fit together well. There are still lots of discoveries and refinements to be made. It’s a work in progress. I hope people realize that.

      Besides, Chris recommended people try a GF or Paleo diet anyway. All he said was that in his personal experience he did better with some gluten grains and that one study that purported to show it’s danger was worthless.

    • Andy says

      I’m a paleo eater but rather enjoy these devils advocate type posts. We need to not be dogmatic in our thinking and fall into nutritionism. Makes you no better than a vegan hippie!

  12. Tane says

    Good podcast! I think the new graphic should have Keystone in a gown and mortarboard with a clipboard supervising his research assistant’s clumsy efforts. At the very least, he should also be given some protective eyewear or I’m calling the ASPCA.
    Also, if Steve the Buttercup is reading this: you are correct about my insinuation about the VIP client services at NorCal Stud and Conditioning but incorrect about my name. I’ve given up on Andy pronouncing it right, but “Tran”? First Skylar thinks I’m a German, now I’m mistaken for Vietnamese.
    I’d also like to add my testimonial- I too “look, feel and perform” better since listening to the podcast (at least that’s what my “clients” tell me). I can only assume that this improvement would be even greater if I actually started eating Paleo as well.

  13. Greg Freisinger says

    I believe there is a problem with the link to download this episode. I am getting a file not found error.

  14. says


    Love the podcast, site and book.

    I’ll be going full-time paleo for the first time soon.

    I’m looking forward to listening to this particular podcast because I have vitiligo; something that I was told long ago was ‘incurable’… I recently read the condition was related to leaky gut syndrome; I know that can be influenced by eating in a new way.

    I’m having a problem listening to the podcast right now; all of them report a file not found error message when I try to listen.

    Is anyone else having this problem?



    • Andy says

      I was having a problem too, using the link in this thread. I’m sure they will fix it, but in the mean time you can download it from itunes.

      • says

        Hi Andy,

        Thanks for that… Not until I get home to my beloved Mac.

        I think it’s already downloaded and on my iPod, which I left at home this morning… D’Oh!

  15. Renae says

    Show Idea: Where are they now? I think it would be interesting to have one show dedicated to following up with those who have submitted questions and Robb and Andy have said “please follow up and let us know what happens”. It may take some reaching out to people, but when I got back and listen to past episodes I always wonder what happened to those people.

  16. Steve says

    Hi Robb,

    Just a follow up on the coffee question. I can drink my fill of coffee and tea but a yerba mate will juice me up for a long sleepless night if I drink it afternoon. Coconut milk lattes taste pretty good too,

    • Steve says

      I also watched the Paleo Brands seminar dvd on top of reading the book and listening to every podcast. Any chance on a new updated seminar dvd?

  17. Ash says


    You mentioned the New Chapter B vitamin. I have that toe problem too, so I went out and got the New Chapter vitamin. It does have 2000% of the RDA of Vitamin B12 (which is low to every other option, which had some 16,000%) – but this is for TWO tablets.

    Here is the breakdown for the New Chapter Coenzyme B Food Complex for ONE tablet:

    Thiamin (B1) = 2.5 mg = 150%
    Riboflavin (B2) = 2.5 mg = 250%
    Niacin = 22.5 mg = 112.5%
    Vitamin B6 = 4.5 mg = 225%
    Folate = 200 mcg = 50%
    Vitamin B12 = 60 mcg = 1000%
    Biotin = 150 mcg = 50%
    Pantothenic Acid = 22.5 mg = 225%

    …. Do you still recommend this? Or is this the “hyper-supplementation” that you were referring to as potentially (very) harmful? Should one be concerned about taking 3000 mcg of biotin for hair loss? /


    • says

      I cannot comment on the “toe problem”, but I can tell you that I have been poisoning myself with high dose b-vitamins for years, asking myself why I was so tired in the mornings DESPITE (< laughable from today's perspective) taking all those energy-providing vitamins with breakfast.

      have an eye on that in case you try that product (which is somewhat lower dosed than the one I was using)

  18. says

    Hi Robb,

    Great podcast. I think you may have misspoken regarding question #9 Crohn’s Disease. The writer mentioned that they had Crhon’s and Ankylosing Spondylitis. In your answer you mentioned that you know a person who died of Ankylosing Spondylitis. I think you may have meant to say Crohn’s as Ankylosing is progressive-degenerative auto-immune disease but not fatal. While Crohn’s can certainly be fatal.

    I have suffered since my mid twenties with AS (ankylosing spondylitis). I can say with 100% certainty that AS is controllable with diet. A Paleo diet will almost certainly help you avoid flare-ups. A flare is the painful auto immune response that AS sufferers are all too familiar with. Very painful. I couldn’t sneeze for 5 years during my pre-diagnosis days as the pain in my ribs would cause me to pass out.

    There is an alternative dietary treatment for AS suffers which involves avoiding all starches in your diet. My transition from a no-starch diet to Paleo has been very easy and I’ve seen even greater results since embracing Paleo.

    A great resource for anyone who suffers from AS is Great support group and informational resource with thousands of world-wide members in a very active online community. Lots of folks on that site know way more that I do about AS. But in a nutshell the cause of AS is a bacteria called Klebsiella which lives in your large intestine. This bacteria has the same genetic marker as the hla b27 genetic marker which most human AS suffers have. The thought is that when there are too many Klebs (klebsiella) your body mounts a vigorous immune response to kill them. It just so happens that the antibodies that you create to kill the Klebs also happen to attack your own body. Classic autoimmune disease.

    If you can avoid all sudden increases in your body’s Kleb population, then you can likely avoid the immune response, and you will not have the pain associated with your body attacking itself.

    The solution is to deny the Klebs their food source. No food, no Klebs. What do they eat? Typical for bacteria they eat sugar. Since they live in your large intestine what kind of sugar can make it all the way through your stomach and small intestine? Starches. Long chain sugars are the only ones that can survive your digestive tract and make it to your large intestines to feed the Klebs.

    Sorry for the long post, but it took me 12 years to find out what in God’s name was causing all my pain. Then another 3 years of experimentation to figure out how to deal with AS. Anyone out there with AS should know that there’s an easy, drug-free way to control your horrible pain. Like so many diseases, there is a simple dietary treatment for AS. It works.

    Thanks again for the great podcasts and website.


    • says

      Thank YOU. If you’d ever like to do a guest post on this let me know. It was definitely my impression that AS is/can be fatal, but there may have actually been confounders (such as undiagnosed Crohn’s).

      • says

        Would love to! AS is definitely something I’ll die with, but not necessarily from.

        Between this website and your friend Sarah over at everydaypaleo your influence is being felt in my life big-time. So, thanks!

        Stay caffeinated.

  19. Abraham says

    Hey Robb and Andy, I’m such a fan of the podcast that I’ll still tune in when you guys inevitably jump the shark. Thanks to you guys I look so good naked that my shallow girlfriend is physically incapable of leaving me.(I’m joking of course she’s a very lovely gal). Anyway I was wondering if there was anything you could suggest for improving my mental capacity? I read the book and have started experimenting with Acetyl-L-Carnitine and Alpha-Lipolic Acid in combination every morning before I eat. It helps but I wonder if there could be more. It might help to know that I was diagnosed with depression and anxiety disorder in 2001, and then panic disorder in 2009. Thankfully I got over all that last year and I no longer consider myself to have any of those conditions. However, I have been left with a distinct dullness in my ability to think. Specifically my attention span, focus, and memory. I think it’s that “foggy brain” type of thing that Robb mentioned in the book. I’ve tried your advice on sleeping in a cool, pitch black room with moderate improvement to my mental dullness. Are there any more tricks up your sleeves? Any help would be much appreciated, thanks in advance and keep up the excellent work.

    P.S. I recently came across this post on the website This guy named Brian Dunning says that gluten-free diets aren’t the gato’s meow (on this podcast: ). He says that there is no sound evidence for avoiding gluten for general wellness, your thoughts?

    • says

      I’d get your cortisol and androgens checked (saliva test, ASI + androgen profile). You might benefit from a cortisol protocol that a functional med doc, biosig practitioner or naturopath can help with.

      Regarding the skeptiod…well, he does not know what the fuck he is talking about! Here is a good paper:
      Scandinavian Journal of Gastroenterology, 2006; 41: 408 Á/419
      Gliadin, zonulin and gut permeability: Effects on celiac and non-celiac
      intestinal mucosa and intestinal cell lines

      Here is a money-shot paragraph from that paper:

      “Based on our results, we concluded that gliadin activates zonulin signaling irrespective of the genetic expression of autoimmunity, leading to increased intestinal permeability to macromolecules”
      As Mat Lalonde has said, the folks with certain genetic predisposition develop celiac, others develop various autoimmune issues, still others develop systemic inflammation that ultimately impacts insulin sensitivity and a host of other diseases such as CVD. I need to do a blog post on this but if the “skeptic” is not articulate in the mechanistic underpinnings of zonulin expression, transglutaminase and the other issues related to grain intolerance…they are way out of their league commentating on this topic.

  20. says

    I am getting ready to start the Paleo diet (minus nightshades and dairy to start) in hopes of reversing my vitiligo.

    I am looking for the video of the boy that reversed his vitiligo with Paleo…has it been put up yet?

    Thanks so much!

  21. Lena Karlstam says

    I am also looking for the video of the boy that reversed his vitiligo with Paleo…has it been put up yet?

    Thanks so much!

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