The Paleolithic Solution – Episode 3

And now back to regularly scheduled programming – here is the third episode of the Paleolithic Solution.  We went a little over our target time this week, but if you can make it to the end you will hear the recipe for the legendary NorCal Margarita (aka Better Drinking Through Chemistry).

Paleolithic Solution – Episode 3

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  1. David Velez
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 9:33 am | Permalink

    Hey Robb! Love your site/insight into nutrition, I cant thank you enough for all the genius you bestow on us regularly. My professors think I’m a genius just from the things I can remember learning from you and your site. I’m doing Paleo/Zone plus dairy. 4 block meals plus 2 block snacks, and for extra fat, I’m going to add whole milk. My question is: How much milk should I add? I know CFFB recommends drinking a gallon of whole milk a day. I’m 28/5′7″/165, my body comp is great (thanks to John and CFFB) but I really want to get stronger. Any help would be GREATLY appreciated!

  2. James R
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 9:53 am | Permalink

    Even though you had so much drama from this weekend, thanks for taking the time to put out another “Solution”. I am loading this one to my PDA for the long drive to the in-laws for Thanksgiving. Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

  3. Steven
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:05 am | Permalink

    First, thank you guys so much for taking the time to do this. I have learned so much from these past three programs and look forward to future programs.

    As to your query regarding program length I think that the one hour time frame is perfect. It allows you to cover a fair amount of ground in a fair amount of detail without feeling rushed.

    I listen to the program at work so it certainly makes my day go by much easier as I work on projects!

    Thanks again!

  4. Sherist
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:21 am | Permalink

    No link for Episode 3. :o (

  5. Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:23 am | Permalink

    Sherist-
    It’s playing for me.

  6. Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:26 am | Permalink

    thanks Steven! Will try to be less verbose in future installments.

  7. Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:37 am | Permalink

    David-
    What the heck do you want to DO? You always need to ask that question…this is what drives our training and feeding.

  8. Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:39 am | Permalink

    David- It depends on your goals. If you just want to get stronger, you do not really need the dairy. If you want to get both big and strong…well, drink that milk! it really depends on your ultimate goals.

  9. Jeff C.
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:45 am | Permalink

    Robb and Andy – I am blown away by the quality information in your podcasts. I can learn a lot quickly, which I like. In terms of length I think an hour is a good ballpark, but since these aren’t live “catch it or miss it” types of broadcasts it doesn’t really matter to me if they go longer because I can simply pause and finish the rest later if I am pressed for time.

    I was thinking about the question from episode 3 about needing less sleep on the Paleo diet. One thing I noticed almost immediately when I switched to a Paleo diet from Vegetarianism is that I could fall asleep faster and had less restless tossing and turning nights. Nothing like a good dose of carbs right before bed to make the heart pump and the brain race. That said, I doubt her sleep would be improved so much as to get away with only 5 hours (that is probably mostly due to the screwed up circadian rythyms that come from shift work) but I think in general getting 7.5-8 hours of real quality sleep is going to feel about the same as 9-10 hours of tossing and turning sleep that comes after having Ben and Jerrys for dessert or 6 beers during the evening.

  10. Steve
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 10:58 am | Permalink

    I loved the whole 66 mins of the Podcast. The more I hear the more I want to read your book.

    The thing that struck me is your people at your gym only workout three to four times a week which is way different than the 3 on and 1 off from the main site.

    Can you give little information on how to adapt the main site WODs Schedule to your WODs Schedule or can you recommend an affiliate which follows your workout schedule. Where I live I have no good CrossFit centers available to me, so I work out on my own.

    Thanks for all the information.

  11. Posted November 25, 2009 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    Steve-
    Our programming looks NOTHING like the main site WOD. Look to catalyst athletics, crossfit football, and the fitness conduit for effective, intelligent programming.

  12. Bert Hendrickx
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 11:49 am | Permalink

    Robb,

    This is so brilliant. I am so stoked you guys started the podcasts. I’m a little disappointed as I registered for the January Cert in Ouray, I have to come from Belgium so I won’t cancel the Cert but I hope it still will be interesting without your knowledge.

    I started Crossfit January 2009 and overtrained myself about 3 months ago because of my love for Crossfit and I am still recovering of this. I felt dizzy for about 4-5 weeks and my sleep was terrible the 2 weeks before this. I rested for a week at that time and started training again, but this was way too early. Now after 2 months I’m just taking it really easy and I give myself 3 months to fully recover.

    I feel about 80% right now, I’m eating Paleo, using 8g of fish oil per day, taking multivitamine (Nutrilite Double X). Is it ok to start strength training again for 3x per week and maybe 1 metcon or should I rest for a few weeks more?

    Bert

  13. Donna Dyson
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 11:52 am | Permalink

    Hey Robb,

    When does the podcast get posted on itunes? I like to listen to it on my way to work. btw, Loving the podcasts.

  14. Kevin
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    Really loved episode 3. In terms of time I think you nailed it with an hour, I agree with the previous poster that this is a good time frame to tackle the questions posed without feeling too rushed. I for one would rather have the information thoroughly explained than partially explained at the sake of saving a few minutes. It would be great if the link to the mp3 could be posted again (like with episode 2). This opens a media player on my computer where I can pause the podcast and rewind on certain key points.

    I was also all ears when you said that you’ve see people train 2-4x a week with very little met-con lean out and see good performance. I train 4x per week soccer, mostly conditioning which is, you could say metcon. Trying to balance this with my affiliates programming is tricky. I try to stick with the 3 on 1 off philosophy. If I go for an evening workout and I see a metcon posted, sometimes I just want to turn around and walk out after my hour long morning training session with my club. I feel like I might be shooting myself in the foot from a body comp position by doing too much metcon conditioning, but I face a connundrum with the affiliate. The question is, try it and see if it works? Or try and see what the WOD is and skip if it involves some metabolic conditioning? Stuff like Murph kills my performance on the field to an extent, just a feeling of being run down. I have a feeling I know what your going to say, but I feel like a bit of a wimp skipping out on a work out.

  15. David Velez
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 11:58 am | Permalink

    I think the longer the show—>the more we learn—> the better! I am SOOO thankful for the NorCal Margarita recipe, I will definitely be making them for Thanksgiving!! Quick question Robb: I’m going to visit my family in my horrible horrible hometown of Yuba City right after school gets out on Dec.14, I’ll be there for a week and would LOVE to get a workout in at NorCal S&C. Will you happen to be around those days??

  16. Kris
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:07 pm | Permalink

    This series of podcasts has been great so far! Please keep them coming!

    It is interesting to note how some people (myself included) dig holes for themselves but objectively can’t see they are neck deep!

    “I’m on a limited cal diet, zero carbs, doing 3 chipper wod’s a week on top of my other CF wods, plus I do one MEBB strength day a week, I do IF 3 days a week, just cut out diet coke cold turkey…do you think i should add some LISS cardio to bump up the intensity?”

    It hasn’t been until recently I’ve learned the value of taking small steps (to ensure bigger steps later on) and dialing-back the gung-ho approach (to keep from burning out).

    Everyone wants results yesterday and damn, it is a hard lesson to learn to cap one’s excitement and drive, but I think a lot of people take the ‘what doesn’t kill me, only makes me stronger’ adage a bit too far.

    In any case, pod casts have been great! Looking forward to more and definitely looking forward to the book release!

  17. David Velez
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:12 pm | Permalink

    My goals are to be Harder, Better, Faster, and Stronger at everything. For specific goals, here they are: 1) Run a 4.4 40yd dash. [Currently at 4.7] 2) Bench 300 lbs. [Currently at 205] 3) Deadlift 500 lbs. [Currently at 385] 4) Do 100 kipping pullups. [Currently at 45] 5) Run a 5:30 mile. [Currently at 6:41 6) Clean and Jerk 250lbs [Currently at 175] 7) Dunk a basketball

    I’m not worried one bit about body composition because I’m naturally very lean (thanks mom and dad!) If you were to ask me which goal I want to obtain the most, its dunk a basketball. I am only 5′7″ 165 so that might take some work, but I could die a happy man if I could dunk a basketball.

  18. Tim
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:15 pm | Permalink

    Robb and Andy, thanks so much for the podcast! Make them as long as you like; I enjoy listening to them on the drive in to work and have to do that more then one hour a week.

    Robb you have written a ton of great stuff on Diabetes, my brother is a type 1 and I have been sending him to your site, but don’t know how much he has taken in yet.

    Could you guys do a podcast on Diabetes as if you where talking to the Diabetic? That way I could just email him the link, rather than trying to argue with a life long expert in diabetes that is a lawyer. A cop out on my part I know, you guys are just so good at this.

    Mahalo
    Tim

  19. Kevin
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:27 pm | Permalink

    Also, Robb, I was wondering fi you could make a recommendation on Salmon Jerky. I’m having a hard time finding any paleo friendly.

    Thanks!

  20. Mark
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:49 pm | Permalink

    Anytime you are able to do an hour show, please do. Great content! There is a lot of stuff to cover and I’ll take as much as I can get. Thanks guys, it’s really great that you continue to offer this stuff for free!

  21. Posted November 25, 2009 at 12:58 pm | Permalink

    Robb, Just finished the podcast. This is a terrific resource. I am happy with whatever time length you do the podcasts for, it is such a great service that you do for all of us. I am so impressed with the breadth of topics you covered — hypothyroidism to kidney stones…

    I’ve been dealing with the hypothyroid issue for about 5 years now (turning 28 next month). The misinformation that is given to thyroid patients by the majority of internists and even endocronologists is amazing. I think that if I had attacked this right away with a gluten/dairy/legume free paleo diet, I may have stopped the damage. I am on this type of diet now (because of your seminar) and it has improved most every aspect of my health and fitness, but not the hypothyroidism.

    After trying diet change first, I found a doc that was not stuck in the 70s and pursues alternate therapies for hypothyoidism. She found that my thyroid was not converting T4 to T3 and took me off Levoxil (T4 only). She also found that my reverse T3 levels at receptor sites were abnormally high. To fix this, she put me on compounded T3 for a few months and when rT3 normalized we moved to Armour. Switching from Levoxil has helped substantially because it was elevating my liver enzymes and raising my blood pressure (not to mention, not alleviating hypothyroid symptoms!)

    Final thoughts:
    1. Hypothyroidism sucks because you are dealing with nuances in treatment and balance is hard to find.
    2. Find a doc who appreciates your paleo nutrition and can work alongside of that to enhance your quality of life.
    3. If you are hypothyroid, work your tail off to catch it early and treat it properly because lack of energy, hair loss, weight gain, and sex drive of a rock are not the best qualities of a person (especially a 28 year old male!).

  22. Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:21 pm | Permalink

    Kevin-
    Have not seen any that are not gluten containing.

  23. Jay
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Hey Robb,
    I haven’t listened to the last three podcasts because I haven’t had time yet but if you haven’t covered Vitmain D yet could you answer a few questions of mine the next podcast?
    If you have to supplement Vitamin D, which I do because I live in a place where it snows and rains from November to May, what is the best way to supplement? I noticed most Vitamin D supplements are derived from dairy or cod liver but the cod liver oil also has a lot of vitamin A in it. Enough that if one wanted to take a lot of vitamin D they would OD vit. A.
    What are the dose ranges for vitamin D, roughly of course? I’ve heard 2000IU to as much as 10000IU.
    I’ve also heard that supplementing Vitamin D is not effective and that only way to get Vit. D is from the sun. I read this on the Nutrition Data website when they were talking about D to prevent swine flu and how some Australian researchers found supplementing was not effective but being in the sun was. Thanks Robb!

  24. Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:49 pm | Permalink

    Well, ditch the mile runs and hammer the other stuff. 10lbs of BW+ a huge increase in strength will get you there.

  25. Posted November 25, 2009 at 1:50 pm | Permalink

    David-
    Yep, I’ll be around. Please do not be an Ex-SEAL sent to shoot me.

  26. Posted November 25, 2009 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    Donna-
    It takes a little while for that to populate..I’ll have andy check it.

  27. Posted November 25, 2009 at 2:08 pm | Permalink

    Bert-
    Go easy. Strength work only. No met-con over 5min till you feel 110%

  28. Sage
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 2:35 pm | Permalink

    Is the D3 dosage of 2000 I.U. applicable for everyone, or is it dependent upon body weight in a similar manner to fish oil? Thank you!

  29. Posted November 25, 2009 at 3:32 pm | Permalink

    Try Cazadores Tequila – so much better than gold :)
    It’s the one with the stag on the front. We call them Paleo margaritas here in Chicago – love them! http://www.crossfitfire.com

  30. Mike
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 3:38 pm | Permalink

    Robb,

    Incredible info as always! I think an hour or even more is better, as it lets you get more in depth into the topics.
    I do have a few questions/ideas for some possible topics that I’ll probably email once I get them coherently down on paper and weed out the ones I’ve either answered for myself or that you probably already get a ton of.
    I feel your pain with the slow typing speed and high error rate in that regard.

  31. Sébastien
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 4:36 pm | Permalink

    Hey Rob, thanks for all the good stuff you’re putting out.

    I have a question concerning eggs. My choice right now is either:

    1- Higher in omega-3, not free range, not local, not organic
    2- Free range, local, not organic, no added omega-3
    3- Organic, free range, not local, no added omega-3

    I would tend to go with choice 2 since its easy and somewhat cheap for me to get them and my understanding is that being free range helps the egg to have a better omega-3 ratio naturally. Also, its not organic, but I think its pretty close to it. True organic eggs around here are very expensive and not local.

    Anyways, would you still rather go with choice 1 then 2 just for the benefits of the omega-3.

    I might seem a bit anal with this, but I suspect some kind of sensitivity to eggs so I want to make sure I get the best stuff I can get especially since its something I eat every day.

    Thanks in advance

  32. Lauren
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 5:10 pm | Permalink

    I love all the info but I think a half our or even 45 minutes would be easier to take time out to listen to.

    I love that you talked about the women trainers at your gym only working out 2-4 times a week. I too noticed that when I went from zone to just paleo I was under a ton of stress and by default I downed my WODs to 2-3 times a week and I saw a huge improvement in body comp and I dropped about 5 extra pounds I hadn’t been able to get off.

    Also one of the things I love about not counting calories and eating till you are full is that it brings people back into their BODIES as opposed to their heads, the next day’s events etc. It is crucial to leave out the counting a measuring if anyone ever wants to really achieve a sense of ” how much food does my body need right now and what kind of food?” This is what I try to instill in my clients. I notice when my body is telling me that I need more veggies or when if I need more protein, or if I ate too much grain etc. Straight Zone or just simply counting calories does nothing for this. The Paleo way of eating is all about a higher awareness of what you put in your body and I love it for that. Because I don’t even have to explain that to people, they just start eating Paleo and they automatically start becoming more present and aware of themselves.
    Great info!

  33. Posted November 25, 2009 at 5:53 pm | Permalink

    Sebastion-
    I’d go with 1 and then call the manufacturers of 2 and tell them to get some flax in that mix.

  34. Posted November 25, 2009 at 6:06 pm | Permalink

    Thanks mike! The questions are the whole show and it appears to be helping a lot of people.

  35. Posted November 25, 2009 at 6:07 pm | Permalink

    Garth-
    I have two bottles in the Pantry. I like diversified options.

  36. Posted November 25, 2009 at 6:24 pm | Permalink

    Sage- Smaller folks can run that 2k, larger about 5k.

  37. Posted November 25, 2009 at 6:41 pm | Permalink

    Hi Robb,
    Thanks again for getting great info out to so many, love hearing your podcasts and learning more great stuff.

    Just a few things from my experience to comment on.
    Re sleep: too few calories and I wake up a lot. 1200 cals for this women does seem low. That is usually the minimum I do and I’m way smaller.
    Magnesium – fantastic – has worked with lots of clients to get a good sleep.
    Also great for growing pains in kids (plus muscle cramps etc)

    RE the adjustment period to lower carb being really bad in some people:
    When I first had clients complaining how they felt worse, not better after switching to Zone eating I emailed Sears for his input.
    I typically had people who were tired, headachey, constipated and any inflammatory process they tended to get, flared up whether is was sore joints, asthma, eczema etc.
    He explained it as Arachidonic acid release, typically strored in large amounts in metabolically deranged and inflamed people (as in ‘Toxic Fat’)
    The large release of AA pours a lot of building blocks of pro-inflammatory hormones out and consequently they build lots of these groups of hormones which is why all the symptoms. (I note that they are all linked to the increase in pro-inflammatory homone groups, that each person typically tends to)

    Interestingly before this happens nearly all clients feel great for the first 2 or 3 days after they change their diet. Then they come crashing down as AA levels increase. I explain that how they felt in the first couple of days is how they will feel after the initial 3 weeks once they’ve seen this period through.
    Sears recommended the best way to conteract this AA release is a ton of Omega 3. Usually just keep adding it until they get less symptoms. In my experience it does work to lesson symptoms in clients.
    The other thing that usually reverses it quickly is adding more carbs, and then cutting them down more slowly. But I recommend people try to see it through and take heaps of fish oil if they can. The first week is usually the worst and symptoms get less after that.

    You were also talking about people who might have trouble going Paleo. I had one client who got sick – IBS and vomiting and feeling really ill, eating red meat and egg yolks. I did a little research and found this link:
    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/health-science/one-tick-red-meat-can-do-without/story-e6frg8y6-1111116286444
    Knowing she was Australian – I checked out her history and sure enough she was from a tick infested area of Sydney, and had suffered bites. She can tolerate egg whites, white meat and fish though.

  38. Posted November 25, 2009 at 7:14 pm | Permalink

    RE omega 3 for vegetarians
    There is algae derived long chain omega 3. this one V-pure does have some EPA also.
    http://www.v-pure.com/omega3/
    Better than flax oil or just the DHA supplement.

  39. Justin
    Posted November 25, 2009 at 8:15 pm | Permalink

    Robb,
    I could listen to you talk about this stuff all day everyday. I don’t necessarily have any suggestions for length, but I will say, “the more the merrier”. I am quite literally visibly upset when these end. If you keep talkin’ I’ll keep listenin’. Honestly, I think you should have your own live streaming, radio talk show…All Robb All the Time! Seriously though, it would be nice to have the ability to go back and listen to certain sections without having to listen to the podcast in its entirety every time.

    Thanks for everything that you’ve taught me and I’m really looking forward to your book.

  40. Simon Fellows
    Posted November 26, 2009 at 4:10 am | Permalink

    Roberto Aye Carumba..i come to Engrund as Da and Step Ma are a bit sick and wallop..what do i miss ?!

    Ye know i’m glad you’re not with CwossFit.
    You’ve always been alarmingly available(OK not in the gay sense..well alright slightly) to those who read you and CF has always stuck me as nowt but a money making thang.
    For me twaining(thats trianing for those of a pedant bent !) is about feeling ace and having a nice and clear mind/brain/fried eggs.If i don’t look like Bradley Twitt in Snatch then i’m not bothered.
    It sounds like many of the oiks thus commenting have a little too much testosterone cascading thru their system.Gadzooks maybe even elevated glucocorts ????
    I accordingly suggest handbags at 30 paces, Stilleto wearing seconds and if the bags faily to morally wound eye gouging with a bright red nail varnish ?
    Good idea ..i thought not.

    Would you truly wanna work for a bunch of folks ? Thought not.
    You strike me as an altogether decent bloke and assuredly you’ll do fine without the weight that they would bring to yr association.

    email supachramp@yahoo.com incase its been deleted.

    X(manly!)

  41. Posted November 26, 2009 at 5:04 am | Permalink

    For salmon jerky, pretty much follow the same as beef jerky. My uncle used to make just by drying it in the sun up in Alaska.

    http://www.kasilofseafoods.com/Smoking/salmon-jerky.htm

    In regards to vitamin D, these are the best two articles I’ve found on it:

    http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/

    http://www.grc.com/health/vitamin-d.htm

  42. Posted November 26, 2009 at 8:03 am | Permalink

    Great episode!

    Love to listen to it! 30 – 60 min length is perfect!

    Do you have any plans on putting up a trip to Scandinavia or Europe holding some nutrition workshop/ cert? Would be great!

  43. Chuck O
    Posted November 26, 2009 at 10:13 am | Permalink

    Andy/Robb,
    Thanks for keeping this cast going! Question for both of you dealing with Coconut Milk. I live in Wisconsin, and it takes forever to get new products in our local health store, anyway i came upon coconut milk by “SO DELICIOUS” the unsweetened type. Anyway, whats the skinny on this? I was reading it loaded up with 65% MCFA’s.
    I’m just tired on getting my fat’s from nuts and looking for a change!
    Thanks so much guy’s ! Happy Turkey day….i’m going to destroy some bird now!

  44. Posted November 26, 2009 at 11:53 am | Permalink
  45. Amanda
    Posted November 26, 2009 at 2:29 pm | Permalink

    Robb & Andy

    An enormous thanks for tackling my long winded blog post saturated with issues and questions. I’m definitely taking everything on board and will be vey interested to
    see how the coming weeks fair out with more food, less metcons and quality sleep.

    Every week I eagerly anticipate another super charged podcast, it’s priceless.

    Thansk again,

    Amanda

  46. Ian
    Posted November 27, 2009 at 9:43 am | Permalink

    Great podcast Robb! I too like the longer episodes. So much great info. It is awesome! I was particulary interested in the part where you mentioned that Jolie Gentry went from 10 blocks WAM to about 26 blocks protein unweighed.

    I have been playing around with the idea of going unweighed unmeasured for awhile. Is this what you do? I find I am much more satisfied when I eat till I am content……

  47. Sadie
    Posted November 27, 2009 at 10:51 am | Permalink

    30-40 minutes is perfect for me. Thanks for the show!

  48. Posted November 27, 2009 at 11:48 am | Permalink

    Thanks for another brilliant episode! I don’t mind if it’s an hour every time it’s great to fiddle around the house to!

  49. Posted November 27, 2009 at 11:56 am | Permalink

    BTW, It would be very convenient if you could subcribe to the podcast in Itunes even though a big part of me feels that Apple (skynet) is displaying a bit a the same control-freakish-behavior like CFHQ at the moment.

  50. Ian McLeish
    Posted November 27, 2009 at 2:38 pm | Permalink

    Hey Robb, do you have any suggestions for a killer case of chronic medial epicondylitis? I have tried resting it, anti inflammatories, cortisone shots, nothing works. I am going to try acupuncture next. Any experience with that?
    Thanks…..

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