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		<title>By: CrossFit PlusOne &#187; Friday, January 8, 2010 &#8211; 7:30pm</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrossFit PlusOne &#187; Friday, January 8, 2010 &#8211; 7:30pm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Reading!  &#8220;The Zone and Athletic Performance&#8221; &#8211; Robb [...]</description>
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		<title>By: If it works for a SEAL&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>If it works for a SEAL&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Dec 2009 18:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to go in the CrossFit Journal, but that&#8217;s another story! So, I posted it here in the form of The Zone and Athletic performance. Mr. Caviston also had this to say about CrossFit training in general. Short hand here is how I see [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hypoxia Gym &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nutrition tidbits</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hypoxia Gym &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nutrition tidbits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 03:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] carbohydrate per day (mainly from vegetables). The research on fat adaptation mentioned in one of Robb’s posts told me this wasn’t going to be easy. I figured it would take at least two months to get used to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] carbohydrate per day (mainly from vegetables). The research on fat adaptation mentioned in one of Robb’s posts told me this wasn’t going to be easy. I figured it would take at least two months to get used to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CrossFit On a Low Carb Paleo Diet: Mat Lalonde Reporting</title>
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		<dc:creator>CrossFit On a Low Carb Paleo Diet: Mat Lalonde Reporting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 15:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] carbohydrate per day (mainly from vegetables). The research on fat adaptation mentioned in one of Robb’s posts told me this wasn’t going to be easy. I figured it would take at least two months to get used to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] carbohydrate per day (mainly from vegetables). The research on fat adaptation mentioned in one of Robb’s posts told me this wasn’t going to be easy. I figured it would take at least two months to get used to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>robbwolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 01:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sarah-
Yep, huge difference between these two situations. Without adequate time to adapt the performance is abysmal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah-<br />
Yep, huge difference between these two situations. Without adequate time to adapt the performance is abysmal.</p>
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		<title>By: Miss Spinach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miss Spinach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for directing me here. I think one of the major differences between my first paleo-zone attempt earlier this year was the factor of &quot;adequate time to adjust.&quot; This obviously varies considerably and is probably affected by the level of athlete, whether there&#039;s any adrenal fatigue going on, etc.

Also, I know I was not taking enough fish oil at the time to cushion the transition from higher carbs, no matter how whole and unprocessed the source. From what I understand from this article, it was like going from standard carby gluten-free diet to paleo-zone of the &quot;dieting&quot; variety, rather than paleo-athlete&#039;s zone. Big difference....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for directing me here. I think one of the major differences between my first paleo-zone attempt earlier this year was the factor of &#8220;adequate time to adjust.&#8221; This obviously varies considerably and is probably affected by the level of athlete, whether there&#8217;s any adrenal fatigue going on, etc.</p>
<p>Also, I know I was not taking enough fish oil at the time to cushion the transition from higher carbs, no matter how whole and unprocessed the source. From what I understand from this article, it was like going from standard carby gluten-free diet to paleo-zone of the &#8220;dieting&#8221; variety, rather than paleo-athlete&#8217;s zone. Big difference&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mission Of The Day 1 Oct09 &#171; Crossfit Tucson MOD Blog (Mission of the Day) by SWAT Fitness</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mission Of The Day 1 Oct09 &#171; Crossfit Tucson MOD Blog (Mission of the Day) by SWAT Fitness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 16:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anneke Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anneke Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Sep 2009 05:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No worries, Robb! Thank you so much You&#039;ve been invaluable already:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No worries, Robb! Thank you so much You&#8217;ve been invaluable already:)</p>
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		<title>By: robbwolf</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 19:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anneke-
In short I&#039;d say I&#039;m closer to the Hammer nutrition view of things than what you have quoted form PDFA...but Id want to see the book again to take this in complete context. For the most part a PWO carb meal is about all most folks will need, with just protein/fat/veggies for the rest.  Let em knwo fi this makes sense...sorry I cannot tackle this in mroe depth...I&#039;m just overwhelmed!</description>
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In short I&#8217;d say I&#8217;m closer to the Hammer nutrition view of things than what you have quoted form PDFA&#8230;but Id want to see the book again to take this in complete context. For the most part a PWO carb meal is about all most folks will need, with just protein/fat/veggies for the rest.  Let em knwo fi this makes sense&#8230;sorry I cannot tackle this in mroe depth&#8230;I&#8217;m just overwhelmed!</p>
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		<title>By: Anneke Marvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anneke Marvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 04:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve started reading The Paleo Diet for Athletes and I have some questions. Here are some excerpts from Hammer Nutrition&#039;s website regarding pre-exercise fueling. Some advice is remarkable similare to The Paleo Diet for Athlete&#039;s, but some is contradictory. For example:

&quot;To repeat: during sleep, your liver-stored glycogen maintains proper blood glucose level; you expend nary a calorie of your muscle glycogen. You might wake up feeling hungry, and I&#039;ll discuss that issue later, but you&#039;ll have a full supply of muscle-stored glycogen, your body&#039;s first used and main energy source. Your stomach might be saying, I&#039;m hungry, but your muscles are saying, Hey, we&#039;re good to go!&quot; Hammer Nutrition.

Dr. Cordain specifically says in regards to pre-race nutrtion: &quot;All of this [ongoing bodyt maintenance during sleep] takes energy, and one of the most available fuel sources for this activiey is the carbohydrate stored in your muscles as glycogen.So when you awake your carbohydrate stores may be depleted by as much as 140-160 calories.&quot; 

What is Hammer&#039;s rational for their statement/belief that muscle glycogen isn&#039;t depleted during sleep? 

Also, Hammer recommends: 

&quot;Recall that I mentioned earlier that muscle glycogen, the main fuel recruited for the first 60-90 minutes of exercise, remains unaffected by a nightlong fast. When you awaken in the morning, you haven&#039;t lost your primary fuel supply, and can&#039;t add to it by eating within an hour or two of exercise. That&#039;s absolutely correct, and believe it or not, being hungry before an event won&#039;t inhibit performance. 

However, hard-training athletes often do wake up very hungry and feel they need to eat something before their workout or race. This is especially true for half and full iron-distance triathletes, who start very early in the morning in the water, swimming for up to an hour or more where consuming food is not possible. 

What to do? Try either of the following suggestions to help with this problem:

Just start anyway, realizing that hunger is not a performance inhibitor, and begin fueling shortly after you start, when you get into a comfortable rhythm. The hunger sensation will diminish almost as soon as you begin to exercise, and you&#039;ll actually be benefiting, not hurting, your performance by following this procedure. 

If you feel that you absolutely must eat, consume 100-200 calories about five minutes before start time. By the time these calories are digested and blood sugar levels are elevated, you&#039;ll be well into your race, and glycogen depletion will not be negatively affected. 

Again, part of this statement is directly contradictory to Dr. Cordain&#039;s assertion that the number one goal for preexercise foods and fluids is to satisfy hunger. &quot;The longer you put it off, the greater the risk of starting exercise underfueled.&quot;

I&#039;m not trying to be an instigator or a troll...I&#039;m just wondering how two such diametrically opposed opinions can be out there and figure out what Hammer is basing their advice off of...is it just misguided science? I&#039;m trying to have a discussion with some other trainers about Paleo for athletes vs Hammer/conventional fueling, but I need some backup! Inquiring minds want to know! I&#039;ve tried the Hammer approach, and it&#039;s  been OK, but since I have nothing to compare it to yet, I don&#039;t know how it stacks up.  I&#039;m starting to map my fueling witht he Paleo diet now that I&#039;m off season to see how I feel and what changes need to be tweaked, and I&#039;m excited to see what the performance results are.

Thanks:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve started reading The Paleo Diet for Athletes and I have some questions. Here are some excerpts from Hammer Nutrition&#8217;s website regarding pre-exercise fueling. Some advice is remarkable similare to The Paleo Diet for Athlete&#8217;s, but some is contradictory. For example:</p>
<p>&#8220;To repeat: during sleep, your liver-stored glycogen maintains proper blood glucose level; you expend nary a calorie of your muscle glycogen. You might wake up feeling hungry, and I&#8217;ll discuss that issue later, but you&#8217;ll have a full supply of muscle-stored glycogen, your body&#8217;s first used and main energy source. Your stomach might be saying, I&#8217;m hungry, but your muscles are saying, Hey, we&#8217;re good to go!&#8221; Hammer Nutrition.</p>
<p>Dr. Cordain specifically says in regards to pre-race nutrtion: &#8220;All of this [ongoing bodyt maintenance during sleep] takes energy, and one of the most available fuel sources for this activiey is the carbohydrate stored in your muscles as glycogen.So when you awake your carbohydrate stores may be depleted by as much as 140-160 calories.&#8221; </p>
<p>What is Hammer&#8217;s rational for their statement/belief that muscle glycogen isn&#8217;t depleted during sleep? </p>
<p>Also, Hammer recommends: </p>
<p>&#8220;Recall that I mentioned earlier that muscle glycogen, the main fuel recruited for the first 60-90 minutes of exercise, remains unaffected by a nightlong fast. When you awaken in the morning, you haven&#8217;t lost your primary fuel supply, and can&#8217;t add to it by eating within an hour or two of exercise. That&#8217;s absolutely correct, and believe it or not, being hungry before an event won&#8217;t inhibit performance. </p>
<p>However, hard-training athletes often do wake up very hungry and feel they need to eat something before their workout or race. This is especially true for half and full iron-distance triathletes, who start very early in the morning in the water, swimming for up to an hour or more where consuming food is not possible. </p>
<p>What to do? Try either of the following suggestions to help with this problem:</p>
<p>Just start anyway, realizing that hunger is not a performance inhibitor, and begin fueling shortly after you start, when you get into a comfortable rhythm. The hunger sensation will diminish almost as soon as you begin to exercise, and you&#8217;ll actually be benefiting, not hurting, your performance by following this procedure. </p>
<p>If you feel that you absolutely must eat, consume 100-200 calories about five minutes before start time. By the time these calories are digested and blood sugar levels are elevated, you&#8217;ll be well into your race, and glycogen depletion will not be negatively affected. </p>
<p>Again, part of this statement is directly contradictory to Dr. Cordain&#8217;s assertion that the number one goal for preexercise foods and fluids is to satisfy hunger. &#8220;The longer you put it off, the greater the risk of starting exercise underfueled.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be an instigator or a troll&#8230;I&#8217;m just wondering how two such diametrically opposed opinions can be out there and figure out what Hammer is basing their advice off of&#8230;is it just misguided science? I&#8217;m trying to have a discussion with some other trainers about Paleo for athletes vs Hammer/conventional fueling, but I need some backup! Inquiring minds want to know! I&#8217;ve tried the Hammer approach, and it&#8217;s  been OK, but since I have nothing to compare it to yet, I don&#8217;t know how it stacks up.  I&#8217;m starting to map my fueling witht he Paleo diet now that I&#8217;m off season to see how I feel and what changes need to be tweaked, and I&#8217;m excited to see what the performance results are.</p>
<p>Thanks:)</p>
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